E-ticket/m-ticket vs CCST statistics

[kc_]

Hi, Does anyone know if there is any data available for the proportion of passengers who use the orange CCST (credit card sized tickets) vs those who use e-tickets (paper roll included) and m-tickets, and those who use season tickets? If so, where could I find this data? Even better if this data is available for a specific station.

MODs: Not sure if this is the best forum for this. Please move if somewhere else is more apt.

 

[30907]

Not a direct answer, but RDG claims that 54% of journeys are now "smart" according to Modern Railways (March, p.22).

 

[Hadders]

My unscientific observations suggest that on long distance services passengers with CCST are very much in the minority.

On my outer suburban travels between Stevenage and London. At commuting times smart cards seem to be the majority. CCST still rule at Off peak times for leisure journeys as many passengers use outboundary travelcards which are not available as e-tickets.

 

[Wallsendmag]

Yes definitely but I'm not sure it's public.

 

[Joe Paxton]

Not a direct answer, but RDG claims that 54% of journeys are now "smart" according to Modern Railways (March, p.22).

I wonder if that includes the many London area journeys on NR where the passenger uses contactless or Oyster?

 

[30907]

I wonder if that includes the many London area journeys on NR where the passenger uses contactless or Oyster?

Without re-reading the article, almost certainly.

 

[alistairlees]

Yeah, ‘smart’ includes barcode ticket, ITSO and oyster / contactless.

There is plenty of info within the industry but I doubt it’s going to be shared at anything other than a high level.

 

[Belperpete]

Hi, Does anyone know if there is any data available for the proportion of passengers who use the orange CCST (credit card sized tickets) vs those who use e-tickets (paper roll included) and m-tickets, and those who use season tickets? If so, where could I find this data? Even better if this data is available for a specific station.

Bit confused about your groupings. Paper roll tickets are not e-tickets. If you are including paper-roll tickets as e-tickets because they have a bar-code, then some orange CCSTs also have the bar-code.

Why don't you want CCST orange card season tickets to count as orange CCSTs?

 

[AY1975]

Not a direct answer, but RDG claims that 54% of journeys are now "smart" according to Modern Railways (March, p.22).

Does anyone have an official source for this story (apart from Modern Railways itself)? I can't find anything on it on the Rail Delivery Group website.

 

[AY1975]

Bit confused about your groupings. Paper roll tickets are not e-tickets. If you are including paper-roll tickets as e-tickets because they have a bar-code, then some orange CCSTs also have the bar-code.

Why don't you want CCST orange card season tickets to count as orange CCSTs?

I would class all paper roll tickets and CCST tickets as paper tickets, and e-tickets, m-tickets, tickets stored on smartcards and ticketing apps (and, arguably, print-at-home tickets whether they are issued as e-tickets or as self-print tickets that have to be printed out) as "smart" tickets.

 

[Belperpete]

I would class all paper roll tickets and CCST tickets as paper tickets, and e-tickets, m-tickets, tickets stored on smartcards and ticketing apps (and, arguably, print-at-home tickets whether they are issued as e-tickets or as self-print tickets that have to be printed out) as "smart" tickets.

I would agree with you, but that is not what the OP was asking for. He specifically asked about CCSTs, specifically not including the paper roll equivalent, but then also for some reason excluding seasons, many of which are issued as CCSTs.

 

[221129]

Bit confused about your groupings. Paper roll tickets are not e-tickets. If you are including paper-roll tickets as e-tickets because they have a bar-code, then some orange CCSTs also have the bar-code.

Why don't you want CCST orange card season tickets to count as orange CCSTs?

Paper roll tickets ARE classed as Smart tickets by the industry. I would imagine due to the barcode and lack of Magnetic stripe.

 

[Wallsendmag]

Bit confused about your groupings. Paper roll tickets are not e-tickets. If you are including paper-roll tickets as e-tickets because they have a bar-code, then some orange CCSTs also have the bar-code.

Why don't you want CCST orange card season tickets to count as orange CCSTs?

They aren't e-Tickets. But they definitely are smart tickets as you can invalidate them remotely. This means when they scan it comes up as invalid.

 

[kc_]

Bit confused about your groupings. Paper roll tickets are not e-tickets. If you are including paper-roll tickets as e-tickets because they have a bar-code, then some orange CCSTs also have the bar-code.

Why don't you want CCST orange card season tickets to count as orange CCSTs?

I was roughly grouping by tickets presented to automatic ticket gates vs tickets inserted into ticket gates. I was thinking about the new ITSO season tickets, and forgot about paper season tickets. How do auto ticket gates handle paper season tickets?

 

[Belperpete]

How do auto ticket gates handle paper season tickets?

You insert them like any other mag-stripe CCST.

 

[Wallsendmag]

You insert them like any other mag-stripe CCST.

PRT are presented to the barcode reader.

 

[221129]

PRT are presented to the barcode reader.

But generally season tickets are issued on CCST stock... which is what was being referred to.

 

[Wallsendmag]

But generally season tickets are issued on CCST stock... which is what was being referred to.

Sorry my mistake I saw paper and thought they were talking about the only ticket format that has paper in the name.