East Coast Diversions North of Newcastle 2015 (edit: via Carlisle)

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  1. SteveP29

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    It's coming up time for the above again, I can't find anything online to confirm when they'll be happening.
    Anybody got any idea when it's scheduled for?
     
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  3. fv43576

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    I can't see anything happen from now till November, what part of the line diversion??
     
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    Assuming it's the diversions between Newcastle and Edinburgh where the trains are diverted along the Tyne Valley Line, from a post made on another forum;

    Saturday 14th November
    Saturday 21st November
    Saturday 28th November
    Saturday 5th December

    Again, not sure I understand the question but I assume it's where Virgin East Coast services divert along the Tyne Valley line.
     
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    Can confirm the dates above are correct for Tyne Valley diversions this year.
     
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    Any drags or are they all going to be HSTs?
     
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    My apologies, yes, I meant the diversions between Newcastle and Edinburgh with trains going via the Tyne Valley.
    Sorry for any confusion.
    In my experience, they've always been just HST's Ainsworth
     
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    There are usually a few drags, as najaB (many thanks) has detected ;)
     
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    That was in East Coast days though I wouldn't put money on it now with VTEC
     
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    The fact that they are the only three GR services of the day with a timing load for an electric locomotive, combined with the long stops at both Carlisle and Newcastle strongly hints that they are, in fact, drags.
     
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    OK sorry I misread your post I thought that was just the actual number of diverted services, although I am somewhat shocked to find that VTEC can actually be arsed to do any diversions let alone drags still I guess it helps justify those future bi-mode IEP's:D
     
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    Does anyone have an indication on the passenger numbers on previous via Carlisle ECML diversions?

    I presume that they would be quieter to Newcastle, then more or less empty across the Tyne Valley, and then a bit busier from Carlisle northwards, taking uo some of VT's and TPE's passengers?
    Presumably any London - Edinburgh passengers would use the WCML?
     
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    Some really poor paths though. 30 minute waits at Newcastle in some cases.
     
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    In my experience they're usually reasonably well loaded and I don't think the diversion actually makes that much impact on loadings.
     
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    You can get the full list by filtering for GR services at Carlisle.
     
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    Thanks for posting my info here, Marcus. ;)
     
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    The through trains to/from London are always wedged, the trains that start/end with a change at Newcastle tend to be a bit quieter. If you're intending to travel I'd strongly recommend you get a reservation.
     
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    How come they seem to reverse at Newcastle. It would appear quicker to send them "round the loop" so to speak.

    What are the diversions for by the way?
     
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    attaching/detaching locomotives i assume plus to allow run round the loop if needed

    Surely they will go round the loop or they will be in the wrong formation
     
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    If they go round the loop at Newcastle they will be the wrong way around!

    As they leave Edinburgh facing North and travel around a big loop via Carlisle they arrive at Newcastle facing North again - so no need to turn it.
     
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    but if they come from Glasgow second class is closest to the concourse at Glasgow Central - does that not mean second class will be facing London, with the locomotive, on leaving Newcastle

    EDIT - I was looking at the Glasgow service as that is the one i would be most likely to use.
     
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    A number of HSTs also have long waits such as this one.

    Usual RTT disclaimer of timing not equalling booked applies of course but for VTEC it's usually accurate.
     
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    ah the old timetable contingency allocation allowing them to pick up their booked working south ;)
     
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    It drivers with first class first into Edinburgh, reverses and then with 1st class trailing into carlisle/newcastle. reverses there, and 1st class is at the front for London.

    No services are in the system as using the high level bridge at the moment. Only might happen in case a set happens to be in the wrong direction at some point, and this means they can get a quick turnaround of the set.
     
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    EDIT sorry misread your post. It arrives at Edinburgh with FACING the London end of the platfrom then pulls out towards Haymarket with FC at the rear of the train

    It is the Glasgow train i am interested in anyway!
     
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    With a double reversal as planned (Edinburgh & Newcastle) you'll just end up with the same orientation as if it weren't diverted. ;)
     
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    Bu which is the London end at Waverley? ;)
     
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    Which give more evidence to the claim that passengers would rather have a longer journey on the same train than a shorter one that involves a rail replacement bus!
     
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    Even more reason for virgin west coast to divert via S&C when needed.
    Sam
     
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