East Midlands Railway livery and station branding

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  1. londonmidland

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    The purpose of this thread is to discuss and post your findings of any changes you see on trains and at stations following the transition from East Midlands Trains to East Midlands Railway.

    This includes both station and train signage, logo’s, station colour schemes etc. No matter how big or small the change is, your discussion is welcome.

    I created this thread solely to stop other threads from getting off-topic posts in them as well as so everything can all be in one place.

    So far the following trains have received an East Midlands Railway sticker:
    158865, 158770, 156410, 158812.


    Any updates would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  3. Closet_Railfan

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    Can you attach some pictures please? Didn't know that was happening already...

    edit: if you have any
     
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    I was literally thinking about creating one of these threads on the way home :) and thank you for the info on the other EMR thread. Is 43423 or 43480 on the set on Etches Park atm as I spotted one de-branded in the shed as I was walking home.

    Anyway here is a fleet list like the WMT and TfW threads which may be useful, I will aim to keep this up to date as much as possible.

    Class 08 shunter:
    08525 - EMT blue
    08690 - EMT blue
    08899 - Maroon
    08908 - EMT blue
    08950 - EMT blue

    Class 43 HST power cars:
    43043 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43044 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43046 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43048 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43049 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43050 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43052 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43054 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43055 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43058 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43059 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43060 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43064 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43066 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43076 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43081 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43082 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43083 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
    43089 - Full EMT intercity blue/white

    43423 - Plain blue, no branding
    43465 - Full EMT Revised blue
    43467 - Full EMT Revised blue
    43468 - Full EMT Revised blue
    43480 - Partly de-branded
    43484 - Full EMT Revised blue

    Class 153 (Due to leave by Jan 2020):
    153302 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    153308 - Full EMT regional blue
    153310 - Full EMT regional blue
    153311 - Full EMT regional blue
    153313 - Full EMT regional blue
    153318 - Full EMT regional blue
    153319 - Full EMT regional blue
    153321 - Full EMT regional blue
    153326 - Full EMT regional blue
    153355 - Full EMT regional blue
    153357 - Full EMT regional blue
    153368 - Full EMT regional blue
    153372 - Full EMT regional blue
    153374 - Full EMT regional blue
    153376 - Full EMT regional blue
    153379 - Full EMT regional blue
    153381 - Full EMT regional blue
    153382 - Full EMT regional blue
    153383 - Full EMT regional blue
    153384 - Full EMT regional blue
    153385 - Full EMT regional blue

    Class 156:
    156401 - Full EMT regional blue
    156403 - Full EMT regional blue
    156404 - Full EMT regional blue
    156405 - Full EMT regional blue
    156406 - Full EMT regional blue
    156408 - Full EMT regional blue
    156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
    156411 - Full EMT regional blue
    156413 - Full EMT regional blue
    156414 - Full EMT regional blue
    156415 - Full EMT regional blue
    156470 - Full EMT regional blue
    156473 - Full EMT regional blue
    156497 - Full EMT regional blue
    156498 - Full EMT regional blue

    Class 158:
    158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158773 - Full EMT intercity white
    158774 - Full EMT intercity white
    158777 - Full EMT intercity white
    158780 - Full EMT intercity white
    158783 - Full EMT intercity white
    158785 - Full EMT intercity white
    158788 - Full EMT intercity white
    158799 - Full EMT intercity white
    158806 - Full EMT intercity white
    158810 - Full EMT intercity white
    158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158813 - Full EMT intercity white
    158846 - Full EMT intercity white
    158847 - Full EMT intercity white
    158852 - Full EMT intercity white
    158854 - Full EMT intercity white
    158856 - Full EMT intercity white
    158857 - Full EMT intercity white
    158858 - Full EMT intercity white
    158862 - Full EMT intercity white
    158863 - Full EMT intercity white
    158864 - Full EMT intercity white
    158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
    158866 - Full EMT intercity white
    158889 - Full EMT intercity white

    Class 222:
    222001 - Full EMT intercity white
    222002 - Full EMT intercity white
    222003 - Full EMT intercity white
    222004 - Full EMT intercity white
    222005 - Full EMT intercity white
    222006 - Full EMT intercity white

    222007 - Full EMT intercity white
    222008 - Full EMT intercity white
    222009 - Full EMT intercity white
    222010 - Full EMT intercity white
    222011 - Full EMT intercity white
    222012 - Full EMT intercity white
    222013 - Full EMT intercity white
    222014 - Full EMT intercity white
    222015 - Full EMT intercity white
    222016 - Full EMT intercity white
    222017 - Full EMT intercity white
    222018 - Full EMT intercity white
    222019 - Full EMT intercity white
    222020 - Full EMT intercity white
    222021 - Full EMT intercity white
    222022 - Full EMT intercity white
    222023 - Full EMT intercity white

    222101 - Full EMT intercity white
    222102 - Full EMT intercity white
    222103 - Full EMT intercity white
    222104 - Full EMT intercity white
     
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  6. 43096

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    43061/075 are not EMT power cars.
     
  7. TT-ONR-NRN

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    Having travelled on 156410 today, I can confirm that there is no EMR logo, just new EMR internal posters.
     
  8. 43055

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    Are these power cars not on a 'hire' to LNER which is why the EMT livery remains on them?
     
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    No, they are directly leased to LNER from Porterbrook and have been for some time. They’ve just never received LNER livery for some reason.
     
  10. Kneedown

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    Well 061 pops up on EMT services from time to time. I remember working it Leic to Notts just over a year ago. As a Foxes fan I took a pic of the nameplate.
     
  11. Andy Pacer

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    And you would still assume 061 and 075 would at least have the EMT logos removed so their inclusion here is quite justified.
     
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    Why? They're never going to get EMR branding, and they never work on the MML, except for a small handful of times.
    They are LNER powercars not EMT.
     
  13. Andy Pacer

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    I'm sure someone somewhere will be interested to learn when they have their EMT fleetnames removed... surely!
     
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    Ok. It's just odd that they have never taken EMT off the side of the power cars.

    Anyway 153302 has now received EMR branding.
     
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    I'm guessing it's because of when one of the actual EMT powercars replaces either 075/061, it doesn't look out of place?
     
  16. Mariner16

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    158810 done today
     
  17. MML

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    Does anyone else tire of the considerable waste of money involved in this continual rebranding ?
    I don't mind an internal and external refurbishment of stock at regular intervals, but when you see the same service or lack of, same trains, same stations, same staff, increasing prices and lack of comfort and seats, it's quite irritating to see new stickers, new liveries and minor cosmetic adjustments.
    And apart from the few enthusiasts, the general public probably won't even notice the stickers. A passenger travelling from London to Sheffield couldn't really care whether it's called EMT, EMR or ERM. They want a seat, at a reasonable price at the time of their choosing.

    Privatisation doesn't seem to have improved comfort, capacity or reduced prices for customers. It has simply diverted revenue into the pockets of PR merchants, branding consultants and those providing the stickers, posters and paint. Rant over.
     
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    The new branding looks absolutely godawful.
     
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    The belief is that most new liveries now will carry on to the next franchise regardless of operator. This explains First losing their corporate livery from GWR, TPE etc.... Northern livery will now remain into the next franchise regardless of operator. As EMR takes on a Stagecoach branded franchise then the new livery will be fixed at the next change.
     
  20. MML

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    Don't worry. They'll stick with it until 80% of the fleet is done and then change it all again.

    It's too dark for my liking. And dark colours sometimes show more of the dust and dirt.
    A nice neutral silver or grey which didn't need to be changed with every franchise would do.

    Problem with First. Stagecoach and Virgin is they cover the whole train in their corporate colours so the trains have to be re-painted when new owner takes over. Thameslink, Great Northern branding seems better with little to change if the franchise changed hands.
     
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    Whilst that is true for EMR, SWR, LNER, TFW, LNR, WMR, and Northern, the GWR rebrand was a Firstgroup initiative that may or may not last into the next franchise as-is. I'm not sure about TPE.
     
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    43049/66/76/82 all debranded. 43050/81 carrying 11 years of EMT branding
     
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    They are currently in the process of repainting Shirebrook station on the Robin Hood line. It’s the same blue and orange colour scheme as before.
     
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    222012 emr intercity brand
    156404 emr regional brand
     
  25. LowLevel

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    All stations have to be returned in a decent condition hence the quick repaint of the local stations into blue, some replacement of benches and other furniture where needed, some of which were peeling away to reveal a motley assortment of colours. The orange is only being used where required to comply with disability rules I believe.

    Nottingham is the main exception - it was listed in it's current BR Regional Railways colours and thus will remain that way permanently regardless of the operator, the only thing that changes is the signage. As a result it's just being repainted in it's existing colours. It's a pleasing enough colour scheme so not really an issue.
     
  26. swt_passenger

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    Good idea about the rolling stock, but surely anything to do with stations will now be in the wrong forum? Mind there’s usually relatively little to say about station paintwork and signage so maybe it doesn’t really matter...
     
  27. londonmidland

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    156405 has received its EMR stickers.
     
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    I couldn’t really find an appropriate section to place this thread in, but I suppose this section suits it the most.

    I got the idea from the WMT thread, which also posts updates about station paintwork and signage. That is too placed in the Traction & Rolling Stock section.
     
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    Same in the SWR livery thread. I don’t really think it’s a problem.
     
  30. 43055

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    Thank you for the updates. Hopefully power cars 50 and 81 are on the special HST tomorrow so I can get a picture.

    I will update the list over the weekend to save filling the thread up with lots of really long posts and there after once or twice a week depending what happens.
     
  31. Rockhopper

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    Thanks, that’s interesting! So it’s possible they could be painting it again in a few weeks?
     

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