East Midlands Railway livery and station branding

[59CosG95]

Just a neutral white livery. 405 will be the same. I wouldn't expect it to gain anything other than the usual branding at some stage.

Indeed, however the doors do look strangely like EMR's shade of purple.

 

[NewSt]

Indeed, however the doors do look strangely like EMR's shade of purple.

Unless it's the light, they most certainly are aubergine.

 

[Spirit555]

156503 went back to Scotrail on the 16th. It also had it's EMR branding removed.

Mark

 

[Helvellyn]

We travelled to London & back yesterday and it does still feel very Stagecoach. Abellio is making so little impact on the franchise that it makes you wonder what the short-term aims and objectives are. Just to add our departure from St Pancras was delayed while we awaited a member of staff to arrive.

Nothing rolling stock wise is staying around long term, so the view seems to be don't refurbish. Indeed, with ex-GA 156s coming in as a stop-gap to replace 153s before the 170s arrive, ex-HT Class 180s as a stop-gap before the 804s and ex-LNER HSTs as a stop-gap until the ex-GA 360s arrive... well the East Midlands will be very colourful in 2020!

I do think it is a shame there is no facelift for the 222s though. When the ex-LNER HSTs arrive I think 40 year old stock is going to look a lot fresher inside than the 222s, given that VTEC did a full facelift in 2015-16, whereas EMT facelifted the 222s back in 2007-08.

 

[RealTrains07]

EMR did say they would be rebranding the 156s and 222s, as said earlier in the thread. Looks like Abellio like they did with WMR are gonna have a temporary livery on the units.

This white body and purple doors will work better with the 222s since they are white already so less work required, all you gotta do is strip the stagecoach colours off

 

[Murray J]

156406 is white with aubergine doors

 

[LowLevel]

EMR did say they would be rebranding the 156s and 222s, as said earlier in the thread. Looks like Abellio like they did with WMR are gonna have a temporary livery on the units.

This white body and purple doors will work better with the 222s since they are white already so less work required, all you gotta do is strip the stagecoach colours off

At no point have they ever said they're rebranding the 156s. They're due bodywork and a repaint as a standard life cycle works job. If someone subsequently points out that someone has asked on Twitter and the social media controller has tried to be helpful and guessed what is being asked then I may actually click the ignore button on them on here to save myself from any further stupidity. They would like to do some 222s but this is by no means guaranteed.

 

[CR165022]

156406 is white with aubergine doors

Interesting, did you get any pictures?
Edit: found one here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dd677...Ac-Tq5kgC-paYjvV-22s7sb9-KCMk4L-HXD4V5-NatBk4

 

[Murray J]

I was about to link that one lol, guessing you found it on another thread, same as me.

 

[CR165022]

I was about to link that one lol, guessing you found it on another thread, same as me.

No I just searched 156406 on Flickr and found it

 

[thealm]

NOT MY PICTURE CREDITS TO THE OWNER: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95100987@N08/49248083432/

 

[CR165022]

NOT MY PICTURE CREDITS TO THE OWNER: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95100987@N08/49248083432/

I quite like that alot but interesting that it is being renumbered

 

[Chiltern006]

I quite like that alot but interesting that it is being renumbered

NOT MY PICTURE CREDITS TO THE OWNER: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95100987@N08/49248083432/

if this was the full livery I would be happy

 

[Scott1]

I quite like that alot but interesting that it is being renumbered

I belive this is due to a lack of compatability between this units PA and the other EMR 156s.

 

[RealTrains07]

The twitter team were correct about something at least. Whether this is what will happen to the EMT 156s is yet to be seen

and yes i did ask them and others who are not twitter team about the 156s months back

NOT MY PICTURE CREDITS TO THE OWNER: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95100987@N08/49248083432/

 

[raetiamann]

That's correct as the units can't couple up to the existing fleet of 156s. I assume that also means there is no compatibility with EMRs 153 & 158s

 

[youngiecj]

I belive this is due to a lack of compatability between this units PA and the other EMR 156s.

Yeah spot on. Hopefully get lots of these on the Skegness turns!

 

[_toommm_]

That's correct as the units can't couple up to the existing fleet of 156s. I assume that also means there is no compatibility with EMRs 153 & 158s

Are these the ex. Scotrail ones presumably? And how does a different PIS system make them completely incompatible even within the same class?

 

[507021]

I'm guessing they're now designated as 156/9s?

 

[43096]

Are these the ex. Scotrail ones presumably? And how does a different PIS system make them completely incompatible even within the same class?

No, from Greater Anglia.

 

[SteveyBee131]

Are these the ex. Scotrail ones presumably? And how does a different PIS system make them completely incompatible even within the same class?

From what I can gather, the P.I.S. is part of the PRM, DDA call it what you will. With that in mind, if two incompatible P.I. systems are forced together (when the units couple) they have a technical tizwoz, computer says no and crash!
As it's part of the DDA etc, that means that any train running without a working P.I.S. from 2020 is running illegally. Which means they'd have to be reprogrammed, hit with a proverbial hammer, otherwise made to work ASAP. Far from an ideal situation to be in!

 

[jamesnotts86]

NOT MY PICTURE CREDITS TO THE OWNER: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95100987@N08/49248083432/

Interesting that the purple has a similar sweep effect as the LNER red has. Perhaps done deliberately to match or will we see a similar vinyl replacing the red on the HST sets?

Nice to finally see EMR adding some branding, just a pity they haven’t done anything with stations and uniforms etc.

 

[Scott M]

Saw an old LNER HST go through Newcastle Central yesterday out of passenger service; looked exactly the same as when it was LNER except they had replaced the “LNER” with “EMR”.

 

[43055]

Updated list with changes in bold:

Not much as changed but this incorporates the talk about the 156's over the last few weeks and the livery on 156909(156409) will be known as the outgoing livery on the list. EMT does still remain on one vehicle in the fleet that being part of 158852. As changes do occur I will continue to update the list.

Class 43 HST power cars (will be replaced by LNER power cars soon..):
43043 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43044 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43046 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43048 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43049 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43050 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43052 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43054 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43055 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43058 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43059 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43060 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43064 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43066 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43076 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43081 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43082 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43083 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded
43089 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, EMR branded

43423 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43465 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43467 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43468 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43480 - Plain blue, EMR branded
43484 - Plain blue, EMR branded

Class 153:
153302 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153308 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153311 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153313 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153318 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153319 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153321 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153355 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153357 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153368 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153372 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153374 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153376 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153379 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153381 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153382 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153383 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153384 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153385 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo

Class 156:
156401 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156403 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156405 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156406 - white with purple doors, no branding
156408 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156413 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
156414 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156470 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156473 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156497 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156498 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156909 - EMR outgoing livery (not in traffic yet, ex 156409)

Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158773 - White base with Orange doors, EMR Regional logo
158774 - White base with Orange doors, no branding
158777 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158780 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158783 - White base with Orange doors, EMR Regional logo
158785 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158788 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158799 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158806 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158847 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158852 - Full EMT intercity white (EMT branding still is as of 21/12 on one vehicle)
158854 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158856 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158857 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158858 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158862 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158863 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158864 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158889 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo

Class 222:
222001 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222002 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222003 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222004 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222005 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222006 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

222007 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222008 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222009 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222010 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222011 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222012 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222013 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222014 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222015 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222016 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222017 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222018 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222019 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222020 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222021 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222022 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222023 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

222101 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222102 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222103 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222104 - Full EMR intercity purple

 

[CR165022]

158773 - White base with Orange doors, EMR Regional logo
158774 - White base with Orange doors, no branding
158783 - de-branded intercity white with EMR Regional logo

What do you mean by debranded with EMR regional logo?
Did you mean its the same as 158773 & 774?

 

[Skymonster]

So when do the LNER HSTs start to rock up on EMR Services?

 

[OTRail]

So when do the LNER HSTs start to rock up on EMR Services?

I would imagine after the January 1st deadline

 

[43055]

What do you mean by debranded with EMR regional logo?
Did you mean its the same as 158773 & 774?

Most likely, I have changed 783 to reflect 773/774. Thanks for pointing this out.

 

[Goldfish62]

I had my first ride in the flying aubergine a couple of days ago and it is oh so tatty inside. To think this was used for the franchise launch too. I've alway liked the Stagecoach livery, but I really am very surprised that Abellio don't want to put their own mark on the trains. As we approached Leicester i also saw the 156 in ScotRail colours and soon we'll see EMR trains in red. I don't know what the record is for the number of different liveries for one franchise, but we may be getting close to it when the new trains arrive.

It just seems that the company doesn't value its own brand.

DfT required bidders to use the EMR name and to adopt a transferable livery. Same would have applied had Stagecoach won. Not sure whose idea the nasty purple livery was, though.

 

[Chiltern006]

a 3 year old at pre school with some colouring pens