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Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by londonmidland, 7 Aug 2019.
Has new logos today 26 Aug
Am I right in thinking that EMR wont put their livery on any more trains as all fleet is going
Think so. unless they do an 'outgoing' livery and adapt the EMT livery like West Midlands Trains have done with their 170s, 323s and 350/2s.
I can understand the Regional fleet and maybe even the HSTs at a push, but not relivering any more Meridians strikes me as very lazy and unprofessional. The new Intercity trains will not be in service for at least two years almost guaranteed, and they’ll likely run late like the new fleets of Mk5, 397, 701, 707, 710, 720, 745, 755, LNER 80x and TPE 802 all have done.
It just strikes me as ironic, all this attempt to create a retro amazing purple and silver heritagey brand only to make do with stagecoach white blue and red on all but one of their intercity fleet.
Thank you for the updates. I have updated the list on the previous page to reflect these.
I don't think the 15x and HST fleet will see a new livery. The 222 fleet might get the new livery as they are staying the longest. (but that is me speculating)
TfW are repainting all of their trains apart from the Pacers, which are supposed to be withdrawn by the end of this year. They're replacing all of their fleet by 2023.
43423 now has EMR logos.
The following coaches also have "EMR INTERCITY" branding:
Coach 41205 is debranded externally too.
I noticed at the weekend that EMT class 222s with EMR Intercity branding ought to have had the stickers applied a little further from the vehicle end/closer to the centre. When the passenger doors are open they obscure part of the brand giving 'Mr Intercity'. Not critical of course but I thought is mildly amusing and simply avoided with a little forethought.
Purple 222 spotted today at bedford - any ideas to its allocation, it its number?
its number is 222104
Is it the only one so far to be in purple?
I have not had time to read back through this whole post, I will do shortly.
Yep only one in purple. All other units are still in East Midlands Trains livery.
Do you know what time and direction and if it was with another unit. I know there is a 9 car (double set) diagram in the day to Sheffield.
It is the only one repainted at the moment.
Bad photo and wasn’t sent to me till way after my friend see it - sorry
222003 and 43054 have EMR intercity branding, 153308 and 153376 have EMR regional branding
What's the next unit to get the new livery
Where abouts are they being re liveried? Also will any of the 43’s go purple?
1. No idea yet, although Barton Hill (Bristol) seems likely for the 158s - 158773 went down there at the start of the month for PRM mods and it's likely it could return north in EMR purple; they have done the GWR 158s after all.
2. Chance would be a fine thing!
It triggers me how high up the logo is on the HST, and I don’t even have OCD... they should lower it slightly, would look much better.
Will any of the 222s be refurbished internally?
Ha! That's brilliant, reminds me of the old Top Gear trick of putting mock advertising decals on cars ("Penistone Oils" for example) which showed naughty words when the door was opened.
Hope so as these are long overdue for refurbishment inside. Must be the most threadbare seats around.
If I may point you towards the unrefurbished Class 350/1s...
Funny you should mention that. I travelled on 2 EMR services yesterday.
A short-formed 6-car HST set. Now I remember travelling on these on the EC and XC in the 80's when they still had the showroom interior and I distinctly remember the smell from the brakes in the vestibules. Now they are looking tired. The table and arm rests were peeling, overhead lighting and luggage racks were grubby. The ride was still good and the seats had plenty of legroom. The whole carriage had an open feel as the seat backs are not excessively high. 7/10 Not bad for a battered old train.
I then boarded a 7-car 222, expecting a more modern feel.
The carriage interior appeared cramped, partly due to the window coating which makes the interior darker but also the presence of high back seating. The electronic seat reservation was working and had replaced the printed cards which were still being used on the HST. But the seats and tables were in an awful state. My seat base was so threadbare it had the foam protruding through cloth.
The arm rests which were for some unknown reason also covered in fabric were frayed and worn, and the headrest areas were noticeably worn and dirty. 5/10 for a younger but less appealing dirty and worn interior.
Forget all the new stickers, branding and colour scheme for the outside - it's the interior which needs a total refit. It was awful.
From my perception, the cloth trim used on the 222's is far too thin and not hard wearing enough for the rigors of daily Inter-City travel. The velour cloth trim used on the HST and which used to be prevalent on older stock wears far better.
EMR have their work cut out rejuvenating this fleet. It needs a total refurb and soon. I only hope they go for fabrics and colours which brighten the overall interior feel of the carriage. A deep burgundy might hide all the dirt, but it would be depressingly dark.
By comparison, I travelled on a refurbished TPE 180 shortly afterwards. While the 3-car unit was well patronised, the light blue fabric, light-grey 'leather' headrests and light-wood velour of the panelling and table tops made the whole interior look light, bright and refreshing. Well done TPE. You just need a 6-car train to cope with the ever increasing passenger numbers.
I'll be a little surprised if any of the old stock gets any purple.
Perhaps a few more 222s. I suspect the 180s will be purple, even though they're temporary.
I'm a bit surprised there isn't any painting / signage change (as in platform signage) going on any where as yet.
43082 has EMR on the side now.
The plain blue 43s have it more central and look so much better!
222104 (the purple 222) was done at Etches Park (Derby).
The list on Page 6 has been updated (Post 176)