ECML closed PBO to KGX Aug Bank Holiday routing

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  1. jopsuk

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    I guess the problem with eg diverting diesels to Cambridge would be that even if Greater Anglia do strengthen their services on Cambridge-Liverpool Street, Cambridge-London (and the other direction) is on the bank holiday weekend a very, very busy route anyway, the sort of route that can have 12 car trains full and standing on the Kings Cross line on Saturdays. So there's no capacity there for a significant diversion operation with the GN shut down
     
  2. Mag_seven

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    And Newcastle are away to Spurs.
     
  3. IanXC

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    Assuming Hull Trains are not planning to operate 10 car 180 and HST formations on these services.

    An operator which (in the absence of fleet issues) has an even stronger reputation in passenger surveys would obtain rights to operate to St Pancras in such situations. Oh wait.
     
  4. Ianno87

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    Presumably Hull Train's access rights to St P were granted many years ago when there was capacity for such things. Grand Central, a more recently formed operator, do not necessarily have that luxury.
     
  5. IanXC

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    Nope. Hull Trains rights to access St Pancras are much more recent than the start of Grand Central's operation. Historically Hull Trains would have looked to divert to Liverpool Street in such circumstances.
     
  6. Class 170101

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    Did they actually ever go to Liverpool Street though?

    Could St Pancras actually accommodate 10 car Hull Trains services with EMT services presumably at full length as well in connection with this block?
     
  7. IanXC

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    I think so, in the days where they worked closely with Anglia, they certainly had, and have, the access rights to do so.

    If EMT services are at full length they'll occupy a full platform anyway, so the length of a Hull Trains service is neither here nor there.
     
  8. ainsworth74

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    Looking at RTT for the Saturday for example for the morning arrival from Hull into the morning departure to Hull HT are booked to sit in P4 between 0933 and 1019. All the EMT departures are booked to be accomodated in P1 - P3 and there's no interaction between the two. So not only is the length neither here nor there but they're not booked to need to share platforms!
     
  9. Class 170101

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    Although finding a path via West Anglia these days will be a challenge.



    The platform sharing was what I was wondering about. Cheers for answering Ainsworth74.
     
  10. Haywain

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    Better road access from Stevenage. Is that good enough?
     
  11. stut

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    Also, accessible platforms, less congested roads, bus station has room for private coaches, not just service buses, lots of parking and a much faster journey to the M1 compared to the Town station.
     
  12. DarloRich

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    it is also a better laid out station to handle lots of people safely. Luton station is very poorly set out.
     
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  13. Haywain

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    Yeah, but the person I responded to dismissed most of that!
     
  14. SteveP29

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    I'm caught up in this, coming back from out holiday in Dorset.

    We booked up in August last year.
    To get to my parents in Durham, we've to do:
    St Pancras- Sheffield
    Sheffield- Doncaster
    Doncaster- Durham

    Costing us £113 as opposed to about £50 :(
     
  15. footprints

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    RMT strikes announced on EMT for the last two Saturdays in July and the first Saturday in August.

    If not resolved by the August Bank Holiday, it would seem almost inevitable that the RMT would target the weekend of the ECML closure, when EMT is in exceptionally high demand, for further action.
     
  16. Skimble19

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    There will now be additional buses on GN:

    Royston to Bishops Stortford
    Potters Bar, via Hadley wood, to Cockfosters and Oakwood (nearest accessible Tube station).

    Buses on all routes will be in operation from 0500-2300, approx every 30 minutes, with no early morning or late night services planned at present.
     
  17. Bikeman78

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    They are running a bus every 15 minutes from Bedford to Peterborough so that seems to be the preferred route for London passengers. Journey planners show that route but they also show the XX:28 from Liverpool Street changing onto XC at Cambridge so the XC could get rather full.

    One of the Stratford to Bishop's Stortford trains is extended to Cambridge every hour. That gives people three options per hour on that route, one with a change at Harlow Town.
     
  18. Ianno87

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    Also presumably the option of travelling via Stansted from Cambridge as well?
     
  19. Bikeman78

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    There should be no need to do that. There are plenty of spare 317s at the weekend so put a few pairs of them on the Stansteds and use the 379s to lengthen some of the Cambridge trains. I'm not sure if they can stop over length trains at places like Harlow Mill. Do the 379s have SDO?
     
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    Do any insiders or general folk know when, or even if, advances will be available for the 26th August? Fancying a divert up to Inverness and don't want to pay £86.90 for the standard single fare.
     
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    Weekdays there are 44 diagrams for 55 units. Saturdays I think it's four for Hertford, five for Stratford to Stortford, one Cambridge to Stansted and three pairs Liverpool Street to Cambridge, the other four pairs being 379s. Which makes a grand total of 16 units. So yes there are plenty spare.
     
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    Makes a lot of sense. Nice empty train to Stansted and only 20 minutes slower than the fastest direct train. Only five minutes slower than the stopper.
     
  23. Ianno87

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    Done that before when the GN is shut. Surprising how few people realise it is an option much quieter and only slightly slower.

    I think only some stations are fitted with ASDO balises, off memory.

    Given how busy that day will be, I wouldn't hold your breath...
     
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    Appears to just be Senior Conductors striking, which shouldn't affect the intercity side
     
  25. ashkeba

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    1h30 via Stansted, 1h15 typical to Liverpool Street, but 50min to King's Cross. Depends what you mean by direct.
     
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    Is there a separate thread for the RMT EMT strike action?
     
  27. _toommm_

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    Here.
     
  28. Ianno87

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    I'm talking when the Kings Cross route is shut, so there's only 2 (busy) direct Liverpool Street trains per hour - one semi-fast and one slow.

    I must say, well done to GA for the Stratford extras in August - a decent third train per hour.
     
  29. SC43090

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    Its a shambles as Network Rail have admitted they have blundered by not informing the local authorities in West Yorkshire & North Yorkshire & in Edinburgh as there are major events taking place in, Leeds there is the Leeds Music Festival. in York there the last day of a big horse racing festival & also a Rugby final in London which some team from York are involved.... in Edinburgh its the last weekend of the Edinburgh festival, In football i think North East football club are playing in London.... It seems this decision to shut the ECML between Peterborough & KX was made on the 14th February 2019 but the local authorities was only told about the decision 3 weeks ago.... The forum that was set up after the ECML RTN to public ownership as not met this year. Which as been condemed by the stakeholders from Yorkshire.....

    SC 43090
     
  30. Ianno87

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    Leeds Festival runs from Friday to Sunday. Campers are there from Thursday to Monday. So not affected by the closure (for the small proportion coming from London).

    Football games are scheduled after the possessions have been booked.

    ...When else do you propose to do it that would affect *fewer* passengers?
     

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