Electoral register and address verification

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  1. benk1342

    benk1342 Member

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    I am not on the electoral register because I am not eligible to vote in this country.

    Is this the exclusive means that revenue staff use to verify addresses? If so, they would fail to verify mine.

    There is no specific dispute at issue here - just a general question.

    Thanks!
     
  2. bb21

    bb21 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I believe that the electoral register is just one source. Some companies also use credit reference agencies I think.
     
  3. Clip

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    Gosh if we told you then you could remove yourself from everything and then where would we be when you next get caught bunking the train?
     
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    If you are a settled, adult resident of the UK with a permanent place of abode then your address can be verified. There's more that can be checked than just the electoral register.
     
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    AFAIK, the electoral register is often the first tried way of confirming that a given address is genuine.
    Other options include banks, utility companies, vehicle and driver licensing, home or vehicle insurers, and as posted previously credit reference agencies.
     
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    I imagine you are working so you will have a National Insurance number, bank accounts, benefit claims, council tax, driving licence etc so it's not impossible to be found by any means.

    BTW I am Dutch but I live in the UK and can't vote in the general elections here, but I can vote in local and EU elections, and I am on the electoral role.
     
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    If you have a bank account, credit card, phone contract or internet contract you can count on your details being on Experian and the other credit checking sources.

    This seems like the question you only bring up if you're planning on doing something wrong, and are looking for "advice" on how to get away with fraudulent behaviour.
     
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    Thanks all for the info.

    Absolutely the opposite. I want to ensure my address can be found if there were ever to be any mix up - I wouldn't want to be falsely accused of giving a fake address.
     
  9. HilversumNS

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    Get your name on the electoral role then.
     
  10. benk1342

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    As I said I am not eligible to vote in this country. Unlike you, I am not from an EU country and cannot vote even in local elections. I am therefore not permitted to have my name on the electoral roll.

    Hence I am reassured to hear that other measures are used besides the electoral roll.

    Again, thank you all for your input.
     
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    Chalk up another person coming on for information and immediately being tagged a fare dodger. Score's getting higher by the day.
     
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    Can you offer a plausible alternative use for this information when there has no specific issue yet happened?

    For the record, I don't think the OP is a fare dodger - I don't believe they have yet dodged a fare. I do however think it's rather obvious they're doing the mental sums to determine whether or not it is worth the risk - a potential future fare dodger.

    I'm not buying the mix up story. The chances of someone giving details linked to them are astronomically low, and being on the electoral roll would make such a link more, not less likely.
     
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    Law student
    Innocent curiosity
    Applying for a position as an RPI
    Attempt to fully understand the foriegn country in which they are living

    Perhaps others can add to the list.
     
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    Or, the OP has read several threads where addresses have been checked against the register and wondered how addresses are verified for people who are not on the register. It really could be that simple.
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    The OP specifically said that they didn't want to be accused of giving a fake address because their details aren't on the register.
     
  15. AndyW33

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    Heard that people who are registered to vote can opt out of the public part of the Electoral Roll and wondering whether TOCs can access the non-public part.
     
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    Well given that practically everybody who posts in the prosecutions thread seems to be a law student and a conviction will ruin their life, that would make me very suspicious of them ;) :lol:
     
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    A law student would probably find more relevant and intresting information information in Thompson v. London, Midland and Scottish Railway Co. [1930] 1 K.B. 41 than wondering about the investigation process.

    A prospective RPI doesn't need to know how to do the job until they get it, and then of course they get the training to do it.
     
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    A good student will explore many avenues.

    Any applicant should find out as much as possible about the job, have a look at the Railway Jobs & Careers section to see what kind of questions get asked.

    Now what about the other reasons, could you not think of an argument against those?
     
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    Yes they can.

    (I believe)
     
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    Both the full and the open Electoral Registers are available for the public to view.

     
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    Good inspectors will be trained to make Electoral Register checks as a last option.

    There are a great many ways of confirming identity.

    Some of the agencies that are used have systems that cross-reference addresses with Electoral Register, utility & phone bills and more.
     
  22. matt_world2004

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    However, according to that the TOC would be committing a crime by using the edited electorial register to chase fare evaders.
     
  23. najaB

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    Not if they are using it by way of a credit reference agency - which is what most companies do.
     
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    Apart from the case of an UPFN, how does this fit into "They help other organisations to check the names and addresses of people applying for credit. They also use it to carry out identity checks when trying to prevent and detect money laundering."
     
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    A person entering into an agreement by which they consume a service now and pay for it later is applying for credit. An example of such an agreement is a UPFN. Any suggestion that a credit reference agency cannot be involved in such a process is absurd.

    Edit: On rereading the above posts, I would like to add that I don't believe anyone to have made such a suggestion.
     
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  26. cjmillsnun

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    Credit reference agencies like Experian and Equifax have full access to the Electoral Roll, and whether you are registered or not and how long for will be disclosed.

    Bear in mind one of the facilities offered is an identity check, and this is used by debt collection agencies.

    EDIT: Noticed that this information may not be offered for the identity check service...
     
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