Elizabeth line ticketing

[DaventryRabbit]

Yes.

Good Luck with trying to get an ALR to work the Barriers on the Elizabeth Line! And also, dare I say it, trying to get the (newly recruited/trained?) Barrier staff to let you through!!

 

[MikeWh]

Good Luck with trying to get an ALR to work the Barriers on the Elizabeth Line! And also, dare I say it, trying to get the (newly recruited/trained?) Barrier staff to let you through!!

Well TfL have agreed that it is valid so hopefully there won't be too many issues.

My 6 yr old is predictably excited about travelling on a new line. As far as I can tell he can travel for free with his 5-10 Oyster Zip on all of the Elizabeth line except to go beyond West Drayton on the Reading section. Have I got that right?

Yes.

 

[miklcct]

It's a tube line, according to TfL and RDG; not a National Rail service.

Sorry, but the duck test has confirmed that Elizabeth line is a National Rail service.

- Its services are listed in the National Rail timetable.
- Its services appear in National Rail journey planners.
- Tickets for the line can be bought from National Rail retailers.

None of these are true for Tube services, except the section of the Bakerloo which runs on the same track of the Overground.

 

[Mikw]

You would be making two journeys at normal underground rates and subject to normal daily capping.

Nice one, so i could go up and down a few times then without it costing the earth.

 

[alistairlees]

Sorry, but the duck test has confirmed that Elizabeth line is a National Rail service.

- Its services are listed in the National Rail timetable.
- Its services appear in National Rail journey planners.
- Tickets for the line can be bought from National Rail retailers.

None of these are true for Tube services, except the section of the Bakerloo which runs on the same track of the Overground.

I'm not disputing that it looks like a train. I'm just explaining how retailers have been instructed to retail tickets for travel on it.

 

[jack31439]

Another angle, will station stats come under the RDG in terms of end of year entries and exits? I know shared TFL and NR stations currently do, but these would appear to be different kettle of fish being entirely TFL managed.

I am on the National Rail side of things, but it obviously going to be an interesting hybrid of the two.

 

[A Challenge]

Nice one, so i could go up and down a few times then without it costing the earth.

Be careful with maximum journey times though, don't spend too long in the system at once or you will get charged two maximum fares (and I think you'll need to exit at a different station to where you enter, but not sure about things like Liverpool Street/Moorgate)

 

[urpert]

It is not comparable to Thameslink and, as fare as the central section is concerned, is operated by TfL who consider it as part of their network (of underground/overground). As such, 'U zone' tickets will be required for travelling to and from stations between Abbey Wood and Paddington (other than Liverpool Street from the Shenfield direction, and Paddington from the Reading direction). The outer sections are more like a hybrid of London Overground and National Rail.

There were similarly complex questions in Paris in the 1970s, at least once RER B and C were constructed. RER A is a self-contained system operated by RATP as a sort of express metro line but B is a joint RATP-SNCF operation and C is all SNCF, though metro tickets are still valid in the central area.

 

[SynthD]

There’s actually a paid side interchange passageway (ie behind the barriers at low level) between Crossrail and Bakerloo at Paddington. I can’t say whether it will open on the same day as the rest though.

I’d be astonished if that won’t open on the same day, as the door is already open (with a tiny barrier) and you can see the escalators. Are there any passageways we know will be closed anywhere in the open stations of the core?

 

[swt_passenger]

I’d be astonished if that won’t open on the same day, as the door is already open (with a tiny barrier) and you can see the escalators. Are there any passageways we know will be closed anywhere in the open stations of the core?

I was just being cautious, I haven’t personally been there, or seen it on any progress reports, so didn’t want to say for certain and then be wrong…

 

[hkstudent]

Another angle, will station stats come under the RDG in terms of end of year entries and exits? I know shared TFL and NR stations currently do, but these would appear to be different kettle of fish being entirely TFL managed.

I am on the National Rail side of things, but it obviously going to be an interesting hybrid of the two.

I think take reference to the case of Stratford, West Ham and West Brompton will know the answer.

 

[Wagonshop]

Advice please Traveling to Paddington late June from Kent best route would be via Abbey Wood, However my blue pass is SR only been told it's valid to Farringdon don't think it opens gate's do I get off there, and use my bank card to tap in and out at pad on return I would have get off and on Far.
could date a box on travel card ?.
been retired 28 years and very rarely use train.

 

[Haywain]

Advice please Traveling to Paddington late June from Kent best route would be via Abbey Wood, However my blue pass is SR only been told it's valid to Farringdon don't think it opens gate's do I get off there, and use my bank card to tap in and out at pad on return I would have get off and on Far.
could date a box on travel card ?.
been retired 28 years and very rarely use train.

What’s a ‘blue pass’? I suspect it’s valid to Farringdon only on Thameslink

 

[island]

What’s a ‘blue pass’? I suspect it’s valid to Farringdon only on Thameslink

A Blue Status Pass is a type of free leisure and commuting travel pass issued pre-privatisation to certain mainly senior grades. No new passes are issued, but holders can still renew them until they cease to be eligible.

 

[JonathanH]

Realistically, for a one off journey, the OP would be best off just touching in at Abbey Wood and travelling through to Paddington in one go rather than having to get off and back on at any other limit on their pass, although there might be a bit more of a case to split in the peak.
Abbey Wood to Paddington £4.30 peak single / £3.10 off-peak single
Farringdon to Paddington £2.50 anytime.

 

[Haywain]

although there might be a bit more of a case to split in the peak

That will only apply if the pass is valid and I think that’s unlikely to be the case.

 

[Wagonshop]

Thanks for info . On the rail delivery travel site which, My son found on searching

I can use my SR blue pass on
AW-FAR the rest of the line by dating my leisure pass. Both I am sure don't open gate's. Will have to find staff to open gates

 

[JonathanH]

Both I am sure don't open gate's. Will have to find staff to open gates

Alternatively, there is a standalone reader on the southbound Thameslink platform at Farringdon at the point transfer can be made to the Westbound Underground platform.

 

[matt_world2004]

My 6 yr old is predictably excited about travelling on a new line. As far as I can tell he can travel for free with his 5-10 Oyster Zip on all of the Elizabeth line except to go beyond West Drayton on the Reading section. Have I got that right?

Under 11s travel free to reading but have to be manually let out and with an adult with a valid ticket

 

[MikeWh]

Under 11s travel free to reading but have to be manually let out and with an adult with a valid ticket

Not according to: https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/5-10-zip-oyster-photocard?intcmp=55572

Benefits​

• Free travel on Tube, DLR, London Overground and TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading)

 

[matt_world2004]

Not according to: https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/5-10-zip-oyster-photocard?intcmp=55572

On the page you quoted it says that children under 11 travel free with an accompanied adult on tfl rail

Between 15 December 2019 and 2 January 2020, existing fares will apply. Children under 11 who are accompanied by an adult, as well as customers who are eligible for the Freedom Pass, will be able to travel for free to Reading on the TfL service

TfL Rail will operate services to Reading from 15 December

TfL Rail will operate services to Reading from 15 December

tfl.gov.uk

 

[MikeWh]

On the page you quoted it says that children under 11 travel free with an accompanied adult on tfl rail

<Facepalm> Of course they do.

So between West Drayton and Reading they can travel free with an adult, but not on their own.

 

[TFN]

If anyone is doing the bash around tomorrow for opening day, what tickets are you using?

A bunch of us are going to try catch a train in the morning from Paddington and go to Abbey Wood and then on the way back to Paddington, stopping at every station along the route for a look around.

I have an oyster with 16-25 Railcard but worried about exceeding the times.

Any suggestions on what to use? Thanks

 

[JonathanH]

If anyone is doing the bash around tomorrow for opening day, what tickets are you using?

A bunch of us are going to try catch a train in the morning from Paddington and go to Abbey Wood and then on the way back to Paddington, stopping at every station along the route for a look around.

I have an oyster with 16-25 Railcard but worried about exceeding the times.

Any suggestions on what to use? Thanks

Options if planning to spend a lot of time on the line are
* A 'paper' travelcard for ultimate flexibility
* A 'paper' National Rail ticket with a Maltese cross for cross London travel or an Underground paper ticket (if not planning to exit any of the stations)
* using Oyster / Contactless but exiting at each station (or at least once each hour at a different station from where the touch in was made)

Maximum journey times should be longer than an hour - see https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/how-to-pay...y-as-you-go/keep-within-maximum-journey-times

 

[Wolfie]

If anyone is doing the bash around tomorrow for opening day, what tickets are you using?

A bunch of us are going to try catch a train in the morning from Paddington and go to Abbey Wood and then on the way back to Paddington, stopping at every station along the route for a look around.

I have an oyster with 16-25 Railcard but worried about exceeding the times.

Any suggestions on what to use? Thanks

Why do l suspect that the Crossrail pub crawl is coming....

 

[Mikw]

Be careful with maximum journey times though, don't spend too long in the system at once or you will get charged two maximum fares (and I think you'll need to exit at a different station to where you enter, but not sure about things like Liverpool Street/Moorgate)

Thanks, i expect i'll exit at Woolwich and head to the DLR then, and then go back on the Elizabeth Line later

 

[Watershed]

Thanks, i expect i'll exit at Woolwich and head to the DLR then, and then go back on the Elizabeth Line later

Beware - there is an OSI between Woolwich EL and NR/DLR, which will mean your journey will be extended and hence the journey time will continue 'ticking' towards the maximum journey time.

The only surefire way to break the journey is to either take longer than the permissible time for the OSI (it's 20 minutes for most OSIs - see Oyster Rail for full details), or to touch out and back in at a barriered station.

The latter detail is important, as standalone readers at unbarriered stations can get confused if you touch out and back in in quick succession.

 

[PeterC]

Beware - there is an OSI between Woolwich EL and NR/DLR, which will mean your journey will be extended and hence the journey time will continue 'ticking' towards the maximum journey time.

The only surefire way to break the journey is to either take longer than the permissible time for the OSI (it's 20 minutes for most OSIs - see Oyster Rail for full details), or to touch out and back in at a barriered station.

The latter detail is important, as standalone readers at unbarriered stations can get confused if you touch out and back in in quick succession.

Also if your journey times out a touch at a standalone reader will start a new journey.

My experience of the help desk is that the idea that something that registered as a touch in could be the completion of a journey is enough to make the operator's head explode.

 

[mm333]

Beware - there is an OSI between Woolwich EL and NR/DLR, which will mean your journey will be extended and hence the journey time will continue 'ticking' towards the maximum journey time.

The only surefire way to break the journey is to either take longer than the permissible time for the OSI (it's 20 minutes for most OSIs - see Oyster Rail for full details), or to touch out and back in at a barriered station.

Does going one stop on a bus break your OSI?

 

[MikeWh]

Does going one stop on a bus break your OSI?

Going no stops (get on, touch, get off) breaks the OSI.