EMR 222 on Derby-Crewe line

[Prudhoe]

Unidentified 222 noted leaving Derby 16:42 1K21 D-C, then should work:
1K24 18:07 Crewe-Derby
1K27 19:43 Derby-Crewe
5K27 21:06 Crewe-Crewe CS

 

[Jamesrob637]

• Facilities on the 16:42 Derby to Crewe due 18:04.
  Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 2.
  

  Calling at stations​

Wow that's some upgrade!

 

[6Gman]

• Facilities on the 16:42 Derby to Crewe due 18:04.
  Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 2.
  

  Calling at stations​

Wow that's some upgrade!

Especially in First Class.

Sitting in a leather seat whilst calling at Kidsgrove is a weird feeling!

 

[TC60054]

I suspect it might only do one return trip before getting swapped out for a Sprinter, if the diagram it's on ends in Crewe.

 

[STINT47]

222014 did the honours. Five car Meridian including first class to Peartree now that is an upgrade from a single153.

 

[PHILIPE]

It is not completely unknown and has happened in the past especially o9n Uttoxeter Race Days

 

[High Dyke]

Most likely short of units again. There's been a pair of 153's on Skegness services today again. They normally only venture there as strengthening with other units, or as a last resort to maintain the service.

 

[Ibex]

Unidentified 222 noted leaving Derby 16:42 1K21 D-C, then should work:
1K24 18:07 Crewe-Derby
1K27 19:43 Derby-Crewe
5K27 21:06 Crewe-Crewe CS

Looks like it only worked 1K24. 1K27 is showing as 158 799 on TRUST.

 

[43055]

Unidentified 222 noted leaving Derby 16:42 1K21 D-C, then should work:
1K24 18:07 Crewe-Derby
1K27 19:43 Derby-Crewe
5K27 21:06 Crewe-Crewe CS

It will only do the 1642 and 1807. 222's should not end at Crewe overnight.

It is not completely unknown and has happened in the past especially o9n Uttoxeter Race Days

Very true. Last winter I got a 4 car 222 twice on the North Staff's. A 5 car though is more rare as its normally the 'hot spare' 4 car which ends up taking over the 15x.

 

[LowLevel]

They are indeed short of 15x. Usual "tired old trains" problems plus a 156 and 153 at Wolverton for whatever reason (presumably some sort of repair work) and a 158 out of traffic following a depot derailment a few weeks ago.

 

[bunnahabhain]

222014 started off running empty to Newark to form the 0642 Newark to Matlock as far as Derby before swapping onto the 0742 Derby to Crewe and sitting on that diagram all day.

Short of 15x and 17x units today.

 

[Qwerty133]

Most likely short of units again. There's been a pair of 153's on Skegness services today again. They normally only venture there as strengthening with other units, or as a last resort to maintain the service.

EMR really need to be more careful in that case as they cannot legally operate class 153s on that route unless they are coupled to a unit that is compliant with PRM legislation.

 

[LowLevel]

EMR really need to be more careful as they cannot legally operate class 153s on that route unless they are coupled to a unit that is compliant with PRM legislation.

Yes, they can, provided there are no alternatives to avoid a cancellation. They have to inform the Department for Transport of all such occurrences and action may be taken against them for it but ultimately if required they can do it.

 

[Qwerty133]

Yes, they can, provided there are no alternatives to avoid a cancellation. They have to inform the Department for Transport of all such occurrences and action may be taken against them for it but ultimately if required they can do it.

The ability to use 153s on this (and other) route(s) without being coupled to other units is meant to be in an emergency following a break down in service, and not as an excuse for EMR controllers to take the lazy option when diagramming. Considering that it is clear that the situation was caused by an ongoing shortage of available units and not unexpected problems on the day it really doesn't fall into that category, especially considering that EMR were using compliant units on diagrams that do not require them at the same time.

 

[LowLevel]

The ability to use 153s on this (and other) route(s) without being coupled to other units is meant to be in an emergency following a break down in service, and not as an excuse for EMR controllers to take the lazy option when diagramming. Considering that it is clear that the situation was caused by an ongoing shortage of available units and not unexpected problems on the day it really doesn't fall into that category, especially considering that EMR were using compliant units on diagrams that do not require them at the same time.

A class 222 was deployed on Crewe workings at the same time and the 153s were swapped out when practical. A class 158 was sent out shortformed on a Liverpool service to allow it's booked partner to go to Skegness in place of the 153s.

Unless you have all of the background information regarding the unit allocations you're in no position to call it lazy. The Control are quite aware of the potential consequences.

It is not meant to be specifically regarding a breakdown in service, it is when there isn't an alternative option without causing a cancellation. Diagramming being complex and interlinked the obvious swaps might not be an option for whatever reason.

 

[185]

Heard the platform alteration from P3 to P2 at Crewe (1K18) at 1507 today. Wondered why at first - 222 won't fit on the normal platform, P3.

 

[Pippy1505]

EMR really need to be more careful in that case as they cannot legally operate class 153s on that route unless they are coupled to a unit that is compliant with PRM legislation.

Allowed to operate 153s as a last resort to avoid the service being cancelled.

 

[Trainfan2019]

The 1507 today (Friday) was 158773. First of the class 158s I've seen in purple and white. Looks really modern and such a change from the stagecoach colours.