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An earlier post got me thinking ( did not hurt too much ) they suggested reversing at Farringdon
Can non ETCS units run on the central section in non passenger use ie ECS or engineers
could they get talk through from the signaler ? or run under caution
 
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colchesterken said:
An earlier post got me thinking ( did not hurt too much ) they suggested reversing at Farringdon
Can non ETCS units run on the central section in non passenger use ie ECS or engineers
could they get talk through from the signaler ? or run under caution
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The Thameslink central section still has conventional signaling so non-ETCS units can run through, though I think ETCS units can run at closer headways. Last I heard most of the Thameslink service was running without ETCS/ATO because the drivers hadn't been trained in it.

However most future ETCS schemes will get rid of the signals so non-ETCS trains could only run under possession. I believe the ECML scheme will get rid of signals except around Peterborough, which avoids having to fit EMR or XC units.
 
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The next unit has arrived at Northampton according to Real time Trains.
 
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360109 is on its way back to Ilford currently on 5Q60.

There's no path visible yet on RTT for another set to go to Northampton tomorrow. Sets 101/110/115/117/119 still to go.
 
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43096 said:
360109 is on its way back to Ilford currently on 5Q60.

There's no path visible yet on RTT for another set to go to Northampton tomorrow. Sets 101/110/115/117/119 still to go.
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Looks like there are some engineering works at least between Liverpool Street and Shenfield tomorrow affecting all lines.
 
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colchesterken said:
An earlier post got me thinking ( did not hurt too much ) they suggested reversing at Farringdon
Can non ETCS units run on the central section in non passenger use ie ECS or engineers
could they get talk through from the signaler ? or run under caution
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Only issue would be only 317/319/377/387 and 700 the only units cleared into the core. The 360's would need to be gauge cleared.
 
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Only issue would be only 317/319/377/387 and 700 the only units cleared into the core. The 360's would need to be gauge cleared.
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That might not be too difficult as they are of similar dimensions. But I'm not sure what reason there would be to do it, as they couldn't run onto the third rail beyond City Thameslink.
 
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Class 360 are not permitted to run on 'Moorgate' Lines from Kentish Town Thameslink to Farringdon and will be diesel hauled
from Ilford to Cricklewood on delivery . The route from Belle Isle to St Pancras low level (reverse) through Canal Tunnels also prohibited
mainly due to top of train/catenary clearance on Moorgate lines, convention signalling still in use on both

Tuesday next week (27th) a good day to keep an eye on moves from Ilford to Cricklewood..... 8 car due with 8 car week after
 
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Does anyone know if these two moves I've spotted on RTT are anything to do with a 360 move?

Realtime Trains - 5Q60 2030½ Northampton Emd to Ilford E.M.U.D.

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Realtime Trains - 5Q61 0419 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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DBS92042 said:
Does anyone know if these two moves I've spotted on RTT are anything to do with a 360 move?

Realtime Trains - 5Q60 2030½ Northampton Emd to Ilford E.M.U.D.

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Realtime Trains - 5Q61 0419 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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Aren't Ilford - Northampton 315 storage runs?
 
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DBS92042 said:
Does anyone know if these two moves I've spotted on RTT are anything to do with a 360 move?

Realtime Trains - 5Q60 2030½ Northampton Emd to Ilford E.M.U.D.

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Realtime Trains - 5Q61 0419 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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It is possible. The move back last weekend was also 5Q60 although nothing went up to Northampton on Sunday unless it was this move yesterday:

Realtime Trains - 5Q30 1359 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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edwin_m said:
That might not be too difficult as they are of similar dimensions. But I'm not sure what reason there would be to do it, as they couldn't run onto the third rail beyond City Thameslink.
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Isn't there a permanent restriction on running anywhere in the core because there is inadequate clearance now the Harrington ramps have been built. So at the moment, just 700s and class 73s on recovery duties.
 
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43055 said:
It is possible. The move back last weekend was also 5Q60 although nothing went up to Northampton on Sunday unless it was this move yesterday:

Realtime Trains - 5Q30 1359 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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The 5Q30 yesterday was 315s.
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Aren't Ilford - Northampton 315 storage runs?
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Both the 5Q60 & 5Q61 are down as GBRF moves which in theory means they shouldn't be 315s as those moves are done by Hanson and Hall.
I also can't see any path in yet for the 47s to get from Leicester to either Northampton or Ilford so I'm not sure whether that'll appear at some point in the next couple of days.
 
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DBS92042 said:
Does anyone know if these two moves I've spotted on RTT are anything to do with a 360 move?

Realtime Trains - 5Q60 2030½ Northampton Emd to Ilford E.M.U.D.

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Realtime Trains - 5Q61 0419 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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I've found if it's 315's they are down as DCR operated and they say Diesel loco at 75mph max.

If it's 5Q60 or any other 360 move, it is is usually down as GBRf and Diesel loco at 60mph max with the numbers of those locos shown (47727 + 47739) for example.

Hope this helps everyone. :)


5Q60 on Fri 23rd Cancelled

23rd OCT LIGHT LOCO MOVE TO ILFORD

Realtime Trains - 0Z59 2230 Leicester L.I.P. to Ilford E.M.U.D.

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Then the early morning 360 drag to Northampton

Realtime Trains - 5Q61 0419 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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221101 Voyager said:
23rd OCT LIGHT LOCO MOVE TO ILFORD

Realtime Trains - 0Z59 2230 Leicester L.I.P. to Ilford E.M.U.D.

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Then the early morning 360 drag to Northampton

Realtime Trains - 5Q61 0419 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Northampton Emd

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47749 & 47727 heading down to Ilford
 
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221101 Voyager said:
Nice. I trust you will be up at the crack of dawn like me to capture the next overdue 360 run! ;)
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I will indeed! Hopefully it stays at Bletchley until its booked time to give a chance for it to get a bit lighter before it passes
 
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I will indeed! Hopefully it stays at Bletchley until its booked time to give a chance for it to get a bit lighter before it passes
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Fingers crossed, although I wouldn't bet on it! This is the railway we're talking about here! It don't matter if it 100 early or 100 late they just run it and the schedule is only when they think it will arrive anyways! :lol:
 
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A pair of 360s were heading into Liverpool street in the white stripe FGE livery minus the GA logos, so I can imagine that the transfer of the first few units will be happening soon.
 
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8 car class 360 moving Tuesday 27th as noted above then Monday 2nd and Tuesday 3rd so six units at Cricklewood
as they are being Diesel hauled from Ilford sandwiched between barrier vehicles a certain amount of shunting required to position them on arrival so all photographable off platform one at Cricklewood
Barrier vehicles and class 66 haulage run from Leicester LIP in the morning Dellner fitted class 47s not being used initially due to crew traction and route knowledge.
 
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