EMT strike (regional routes) - Sat 20 & 27 Jul, 3 Aug

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  1. ForTheLoveOf

    ForTheLoveOf Established Member

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    I've had a look and not seen a thread elsewhere about this.

    Seems that EMT Senior Conductors (on the regional routes) are going on strike on the Saturdays 20th & 27th of July and then the following 3rd of August. This is in relation to a dispute over "discrimination and contract issues", elaborated slightly by Mick Cash as relating to "concerns over contractual issues such as compulsory Sunday working, wage discrimination and other issues". Perhaps someone in the know can give us the full details on what the dispute is over.

    I fear that the strike timetables will be just as restrictive and awful as the ones which Northern saw during their prolonged strike. I'm also slightly surprised that the RMT are seeing off a franchise with a strike - surely they would accept that they're unlikely to get anywhere with EMT and wait the couple of months until EMR are here before attempting to solve the issue then?

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  3. bb21

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    Staff contracts will be TUPE'd over when the new franchisee takes over so if there are concerns about an issue now or forthcoming changes within the lifespan of the current franchise they need to be addressed now.
     
  4. ForTheLoveOf

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    Yes, but I would have thought that EMT would have little interest in resolving the matter now, seeing as they are able to (effectively) palm off the issue to EMR with their franchise starting less than three weeks after the last strike, on 18th August.

    I'm also more than bit surprised that EMT would, it appears from their and the RMT's statement, introduce Sunday-in right towards the tail end of their franchise. Something just doesn't quite add up to me.
     
  5. bunnahabhain

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    This is what I've been told too. If you don't challenge it, once you get TUPE'd over it can be difficult to resolve.
     
  6. bb21

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    It doesn't really matter what interest EMT have. If RMT did nothing and waited until EMR took over, while EMT implemented the changes, it will be way too late for RMT to then act.

    Even getting EMT to postpone the changes would be a positive outcome if nothing else can be agreed. I don't know the exact details of the dispute but from what is public, doing nothing is not an option for RMT.
     
  7. Facing Back

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    If the contracts are 6 years old, are EMT actually changing anything - enforcing terms they haven't before? Or are the RMT raising the ante on provisions in those contracts that they have never liked?
     
  8. ForTheLoveOf

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    Ah, so the first mystery is solved then. There remains the second question of why EMT have chosen now as the perfect moment to instigate changes leading to a full-scale industrial dispute!
     
  9. bb21

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    Are they not? I may have misunderstood.

    In any case, that aside even, with existing concerns, if they don't raise the issue now, with a new company it can be much more difficult. I don't know what has been said and discussed already regarding these issues, but I wouldn't take what the company say as gospel. There is usually more to it and the finer details will only be known to a small number of people.
     
  10. bunnahabhain

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    There's a lot of smallprint and the full picture isn't really out there. Nobody ever really wants to withdraw their labour, it's usually the last resort people can utilise when all else has failed.
     
  11. ForTheLoveOf

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    Well, having heard no suggestion or warning of a dispute before, it seems to be a little sudden, but of course the inner workings of such negotiations are rarely public.
     
  12. Facing Back

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    I agree the level of urgency of a high profile dispute which is ongoing when the new company takes over dilutes the "give us a couple of years to get our feet under the table argument" and I'm not taking either side as gospel - as there are no real facts here to examine.

    I'm merely curious. My experience at industrial relations is all outside of this industry and to go from silence to strike appears a little odd. I understand that the great majority of staff will simply want to get on with their job in a safe and sensible manner but I must admit to being slightly cynical whether that's 100% true at the senior levels of the RMT and the DfT. I'm not sure about the ToCs as they are by design short lived entities but I've heard nothing about issues with industrial relations with EMT and RMT - but as you say much of that could have been going on behind closed doors for years!
     
  13. LowLevel

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    There have been a number of disagreements under discussion for quite a while and the RMT have hit a brick wall with EMT. There are a ridiculous number of contract variations due to HR 'issues' which doesn't help matters.

    The strength of the ballot (80% turnout, 69% in favour of strike, 86% in favour of work to rule) should demonstrate quite well the irritation of the guards.

    We have to be careful what we say unfortunately but it's not something that is being taken lightly and the current situation needs resolving.
     
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    This feels more like putting a marker down for Abellio. I am not sure what options are even open to Stagecoach to agree anything with the RMT because I understood that TOCs were limited in what they can do in the last twelve months of a franchise to avoid committing potential successors to liabilities they weren't expecting.
     
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  17. Rhydgaled

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    Blast; I was planning a holiday based in Nottingham around the 20th. Any chance the timetable will remain intact or should I call off the holiday?
     
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    Depends where you’re coming from, as it’s only the regional services which will be affected, not the Mainline ones as far as I’m aware?
     
  19. Rhydgaled

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    On the Saturday I was planning to do Nottingham - Skegness as it's a line I've never been on and I wanted to do it on a HST. I suppose being a HST it might not count as a 'regional service' but if the sprinters that ply the route are all cancelled I imagine even the HST could be standing room only.
     
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    The HST to Skegness is likely to be one of the first things to go due to the small number of SCs cleared on the HST.
     
  21. Rhydgaled

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    Thanks for letting me know, I'll just have to cross my fingers that I'll get to do Skegness on a HST another time.
     
  22. cactustwirly

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    However it could be resourced from the mainline crew?
     
  23. bunnahabhain

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    They don't sign the route.
     
  24. ForTheLoveOf

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    I suppose if it were a high profile service (like the Norwich in 90 or something) they could theoretically roster one member of staff who signs the traction and another who signs the route. But I doubt that will happen when it's going to cost them far more in direct costs and opportunity costs vs. just cancelling it.
     
  25. bunnahabhain

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    Incredibly unlikely as those who sign the route are striking, and I doubt any TMs would be willing to do so.
     
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    The only possibility is if there is a manager who signs both the route and traction (or who are currently being taught the route and know the traction) really.
     
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    So it will make linking to the MML interesting from Grantham / Newark to Nottingham (for St Pancras vice Kings Cross) on Bank Holiday Saturday then.
     
  28. Steph_acc

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    Does anyone know which routes are considered regional for the purpose of these strikes please? Everything other than London services? Will Liverpool - Nottingham -Norwich be affected?
     
  29. ForTheLoveOf

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    Everything which is former Central Trains, so yes, almost everything except London services. Liverpool-Norwich will definitely be one of the affected routes.
     
  30. cactustwirly

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    Everything that isn't a London service (operated by 222s or HSTs)
     
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    Thank you!
     

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