EU Elections 2019

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Giugiaro, 29 Apr 2019.

  1. Giugiaro

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    For those who'll be voting on this year's EU election, I'm starting a thread specific to this.

    Today there'll be a debate between the candidates for the President of the European Commission, in Maasstricht, at 18:00PM GMT, or 17:00PM ECT

    Here's the link to the debate provided by Politico Europe:



    Please avoid going too much into Brexit debate. We already have a thread for that.
    For first-timers in the forum, it's this one: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/eu-referendum-the-result-and-aftermath.132044/
     
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  3. Giugiaro

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    Just a disclaimer: Manfred Weber, the candidate appointed by the European People’s Party, was not present for the debate.


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    Lili Bayer: https://www.politico.eu/article/maastricht-debate-live-blog-european-election-2019/#1275208


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    Maïa de La Baume: https://www.politico.eu/article/maastricht-debate-live-blog-european-election-2019/#1275209


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    David M. Herszenhorn: https://www.politico.eu/article/maastricht-debate-live-blog-european-election-2019/#1275210


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    Jacopo Barigazzi: https://www.politico.eu/article/maastricht-debate-live-blog-european-election-2019/#1275211


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    Eline Schaart: https://www.politico.eu/article/maastricht-debate-live-blog-european-election-2019/#1275204


    Full live blog of the event: https://www.politico.eu/article/maastricht-debate-live-blog-european-election-2019/#1275211
     
  4. Groningen

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    Manfred Weber was on a birthday party in Bayern, Germany.
     
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    Jan zahradill gets my vote if it was possible to vote for him
     
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    Given that the Tories are a member party of the AC&RiE it is no less possible than it is to vote for Theresa May in an area of the UK outside of Maidenhead ;)

    I tend to vote Labour and this time will probably be no exception (a vote for the PES/S&D then) but would be tempted by both ALDE (represented in the UK by the LibDems in GB and Alliance in NI) or possibly the PEL (don't think we have a member party with any representation). That said The LibDems are very atypical of European Liberalism and the PEL maybe a tad extreme on some issues.
     
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    Will be interesting to see if the Conservatives launch any kind of campaign....got a Brexit Party flyer through today. We live in interesting times indeed.
     
  8. Giugiaro

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    I'm going to make a list to better understand what and who is involved with each other to help clarify who/what to vote in the next EU elections.

    European People's Party [EPP]
    Commission Candidate: Manfred Weber
    UK Representation: Change UK – The Independent Group
    UK Party Head MEP: ???

    Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats [S&D]
    Commission Candidate: Frans Timmermans
    UK Representation: Labour Party

    UK Party Head MEP: Richard Corbett

    Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe [ALDE]
    Commission Candidate: Guy Verhofstadt
    UK Representation: Liberal Democrats
    UK Party Head MEP: Catherine Bearder

    European Conservatives and Reformists [ECR]

    Commission Candidate: Jan Zahradil
    UK Representation: Conservative Party
    UK Party Head MEP: Ashley Fox

    Greens - European Free Alliance [Greens]
    Commission Candidate: Bas Eickhout
    UK Representation: Green Party of England and Wales + Scottish National Party + Plaid Cymru (Party of Wales)
    UK Party Head MEPs: Jean Lambert + Ian Hudghton + Jill Evans

    European United Left - Nordic Green Left [Far Left]

    Commission Candidate: Violeta Tomić
    UK Representation: Sinn Féin
    UK Party Head MEP: Martina Anderson

    Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy [Eurosceptic]

    Commission Candidate: N.A. (Nigel Farage?)
    UK Representation: Brexit Party + Social Democratic Party
    UK Party Head MEPs: Nigel Farage + ???

    Europe of Nations and Freedom [Eurosceptic/Far Right]
    Commission Candidate: N.A. (Nicolas Bay?)
    UK Representation: UKIP
    UK Party Head MEP: Gerard Bearder
     
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  9. GusB

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    What are the rules regarding parties sending personally addressed leaflets? I don't recall signing up for any Brexit Party communications, but one came through the door yesterday.
     
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    I'm pretty sure political parties can access the electoral roll for a given area. Indeed the tellers at polling stations will ask people for their electoral numbers so they know who has voted but more importantly who hasn't.
     
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    They seem to know that I vote postally too. Did I give permission for that?
    But of course there is absolutely no need to tell them ....

    FWIW I will have the opportunity to vote for Annunziata Rees-Mogg :|
     
  12. DynamicSpirit

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    They are allowed to send one communication to each voter by Royal Mail, with postage paid for by the Government. I imagine what you've received will have been the Brexit Party's freebie. Obviously, they have to have access to the electoral register to be able to send those out, or to do any effective campaigning/canvassing. Therefore registered parties/candidates are allowed access to the full electoral register. (I'm pretty sure they will be subject to strong data protection requirements in terms of what they can do with that data though).

    Same thing. You don't give permission for that. If you have registered for a postal vote, that info will be on the electoral register and political parties are allowed access to it.
     
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    You don't need to. Of course, no political party has any right to know which candidate(s) you voted for and that is all that matters.
     
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    @DynamicSpirit @AM9 - thanks both, I had not noticed before and was unaware that the information was held on the electoral register. I will visit the library and check out exactly what is included (on the register) next time I'm passing.
     
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    You're welcome. If you do check at your local library, be aware that there are two electoral registers: The full register, which is what political parties have access to, and the open register, which contains only whatever data in the full register people have given permission to be visible publicly (When you fill in the form to register each year, there's an option to choose whether you want your details on the open register. Obviously anyone with any sense is probably going to tick 'no' there :) ). I don't know what the particular arrangements are where you live, but I would expect that, in general, you'll only be allowed to look at the full register under supervision (to make sure you don't take photos etc.), whereas you'll be freely able to look at the open register.
     
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    Thanks - I thought the source would be the electoral roll, but I wasn't sure how GDPR fitted into it all. The leaflet was marked return to sender and posted back - I may not have done so if I'd known the postage was paid by the government, though. :oops:
     
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    I opted out of the open register - does that mean I have sense? LOL.
    Have been digging. Information that is held.
    Sources Electoral Commission:
    https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/f...details-will-appear-on-the-electoral-register

    Electoral Registration Officers are required to keep records of granted absent voters (absent includes postal). For any particular election lists of postal voters must be produced and made available to:
    https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/162580/Part-5-Absent-Voting.pdf

    Thank you again for your help :)
     
  18. Giugiaro

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    Can someone help me fill out the Party Head MEP's for each UK political party?
     
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    A positive from them knowing, you won't get a knock on the door on election night asking you to go to vote.
     
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    I was never bothered anyway, I tell each party that I am a staunch supporter of another - with no discussion :D
     
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    S+D(Labour) = Richard Corbett
    ECR(Tory) - Ashley Fox
    ALDE(LD) - Catherine Bearder
    ENF(UKIP) - Gerard Batten
    EFA(Green + SNP + PC ) - Jean Lambert(G) ,Ian Hudghton(SNP) , Jill Evans(PC)
    EUL(SF) - Martina Anderson
     
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    Ian Hudghton isn't standing?
     
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    Thank you @sk688 for the help. The list has been updated.
     
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    Thus far I have had one leaflet from Change UK, one from the Lib Dems and one from Willie Rennie (Scottish Lib Dems leader).

    Nevertheless I've decided I'll be voting as I always have thus far.
     
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    Wow, no offence but a thread about the EU elections without discussing Brexit too much? What exactly is the intended discussion?
     
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    Presumably voting intentions and results I guess.
     
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    Isn't that discussed in post #1?
     
  28. Giugiaro

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    And a little bit of information about how the heck EU politics work, and how can one person influence those politics.

    The EU is horrible in trying to clarify its mechanisms and how the active populace can democratically shape it, and local politics take the opportunity to use the generalised unawareness to make the EU a sort of massive poll for the next General Elections. Obviously the Media jump right on to the Hype Train. Not good, neither for the EU, nor for its democratic legitimacy, nor for each nation and its citizens.

    One of the things that shock me the most when translating local politics (not just the UK ones but also the ones in Portugal) to EU politics is how parties seem to change identity when making the move to the EU.
    For example, notice how the Green Party, Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru are all part of the same political group (Greens), while Sinn Féin side with the Communists!

    While in Portugal, the Socialist Party (S&D) rejoiced for winning a majority in the last EU elections against the Social Democrat Party and CDS - People's Party coalition (EPP), when S&D lost to the EPP at the EU level.
    Or the fact that people voted for the Earth Party expecting a conservative rightwing party, without realising it would eventually become (at first) part of ALDE. Now that's what I call a plot twist!!!
     
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    This would be obvious if you knew SF’s rhetoric - 32 county socialist republic and all that.
     
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    This is not true. Have you ever tried, for example, looking at any of the EU's websites? They have lots of freely available material, in all the EU's languages, explaining in simple terms what the EU does and how it works.

    The EU is far *better* at this than any national government I know.
     
  31. Giugiaro

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    Well... you are right about that, but it doesn't follow through down to the media and populace.
    It's due to those readings that I get to understand what's what and what can I do in the midst of EU politics as a citizen.

    But unfortunately, the media doesn't care about that, preferring the usual treatment of "look at those lads planning to ban our memes!".
    It's not the EU's fault though, but for most people to be completely oblivious to what really is happening up at that level, something is not being done or done correctly.
     

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