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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ainsworth74, 23 Jun 2016.
Generally, trucks full of goods don't go through airports.
I'm talking about cargo crossing borders on lorries and how long it took us without any. I didn't just vote remain to make going on holiday easier.
Maybe, but the process is not dissimilar and cargo can be moved by air... and not just the Antonov/Beluga/etc... and even on passenger flights.
@Jonny I'm just going to put you down as someone who doesn't think through the practicalities, costs or further implications of any of your posts/ideas unless you'd care to come up with a reasoned response to the unanswered question from a couple of days ago:
Hint: "Taking back control" is not a reasoned response.
If you're going through an airport and have hold luggage to collect it doesn't really matter how long passport control takes if you get to baggage reclaim before your baggage. The last two occasions I've used Manchester Airport my suitcase has arrived in baggage reclaim before I have - one was in 2016 when I was arriving back from Canada (terminal 1) and the other in 2017 arriving back from Croatia (terminal 2.) In fairness the baggage does seem to be getting to baggage reclaim more quickly than it used to but passport control has certainly slowed down a lot.
Of course it matters if we are talking about passport / customs waits of over two hours. I've never had to wait that long for my baggage when flying!
Boris and Priti Patel were among those to launch the original campaign slogan which said something along the lines of "We send £350m a week to the EU, let's send it to the NHS instead." However, the Brexiteers try to pretend that never happened and only the amended claim of "We send £350m a week to the EU. Let's fund the NHS instead" was used.
The non-EU lines at airports with only flights to/from EU/EEA countries are often non-existent and end up being an additional EU/EEA line. However, from next year it'll likely mean everyone arriving on a flight from say Stansted goes to that line and if you're unlucky there might be a group of Indian nationals in front of you so you'll have to wait while those arriving on a flight from Frankfurt which gets in 5 minutes later will get processed first.
You've not flown into BHX then
But you are fixating on the detail and not acknowledging the concerns driving many leave voters.
Turkey might be in a position to join the EU in the future, but the underlying concern for many is objection to free movement of people.
The £350m figure might be inaccurate but that doesn’t change the underlying concern about the amount of U.K. money wasted on the EU.
Picking holes in the exact statements made by the leave campaign and using these to dismiss the underlying concerns is to ignore the issues which caused many to vote as they did.
By the same token I wonder how many people were frightened into voting remain by promises of a “punishment budget”, which never came to pass in the end.
The only people who care about that are remain voters!
No it isn't. If you saw Robert Peston's ITV program on Brexit you'll know that a group of people from the North East said that if they don't get Brexit and £350m a week for the NHS they'll never bother voting again.
Well apart from the fact that according to the Vote Leave director (Dominic Cummings), they don't think they would have won had it not been for the £350m claim.
I am fixating on the detail because the detail is important. Extremely important, as Leave did not campaign on concerns. Leave campaigned on a detailed claim that was central to the win.
It is not credible to come in an say that "it was the sentiment what won it" when even those in the campaign who were aware of the indefensible figures continued to use them and drive around in a big red bus with the words plastered on the sides.
Yes, it was all about the bus. Just the bus.
Oh my god I give up.
Swing by Barcelona airport if you want a glimpse of what you desire.
Non-Eu queue is mayhem, literally hundreds. EU queue about 6 people.
Or alternatively, people aren't put off going to Barcelona because they don't have an EU passport.
Queues at airports are entirely in the control of the airport for the infrastructure and the immigration service of the local government, wherever they are.
The only places I've experienced long waits are the USA and, umm, Heathrow. For the USA, what can you do, it's their right to do it however they want. For the UK presumably it could be quicker post-brexit. Swings and roundabouts.
This is all anecdotal nonsense anyway. Nobody voted either remain or leave with this as a consideration. Anyone making it a problem now voted remain anyway, and nobody who voted leave will have their mind changed by this.
Or alternatively it becomes much more like this all over Europe as well as LHR and the US.
But as you say we will have full control of our long queues so that's ok.
We have such a good track record of running our borders when it's relatively simple so nothing to worry about here.
Don't forget if we want a trade deal with Turkey, Australia or India we have to accept freedom of movement with these countries. That should shorten the lines by quite a bit.
I'm afraid Farage's Government wouldn't allow that (ok the Australians would be let in).
Farage won't be doing the deals. They will be lucky to get an mp. Whoever is in charge will be so desperate for a deal they will accept anything. Can't wait to see the terms inflicted upon the UK by the USA to sign a deal.
Now that we are going to be a tiny country on our own, I suspect it will be fantastic terms. No big bad nasty EU to say no to the USA.
It is nice to see that your army will in charge of distribution several things.
It'll end up in Mogg's fifty years with exactly what the Brexiteers really wanted all along — Britain (minus Scotland if the Scots have got any sense) as the 53rd state of the Union.
Can we borrow the EU's army please??
Just read a woman saying that after we leave the EU we can solve the problem of harvesting soft fruit by using child labour in the summer holidays. She was actually serious!!!! Some people want us to head back to the 1800's so we can take back control. Perhaps we could bring back press-ganging. What could possibly go wrong apart from reduced life expectancy. Why worry about Romanians coming here when we can turn the UK in to Romania.
As opposed to the Dutch army distribution history.
Brings me back to taking three hours to cross from Bosnia to Croatia because the paperwork seemingly had a discrepancy on the bus I was on.
Health Minister Stephen Barclay with a LLB in Lunaticism from the University of Boris Johnson, has said the solution to a doctor shortage when the leave the EU is to train the doctors quicker. :roll:
We tried that with foreign minsters and they all turned out to be f*cking idiots lately.