EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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  1. nidave

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    You must not know a lot of people with different opinions. I think its call confirmation bias. Get out of your bubble and you might see what others think in other parts of the country.
     
  2. mmh

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    The only reason this a problem, yet again, is the EU thinking they can make it a problem for the UK leaving the EU, and allowing nonsense to be spoken around it.

    There's no reason at all the CTA can't still exist, as it does now between members who are and aren't in the EU. There's no reason import rules can't be enforced exactly where they already are. Both countries are islands, that makes it quite easy.
     
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    There's at least one on this forum: @bignosemac
     
  4. nidave

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    How about you ask the people in NI and ROI if its a problem? CTA will not stop the issue of goods and smuggling. so thats a non starter.

    Where do you have the customs checks - on the NI/ROI border (as they used to be) or on the Irish Sea - thats the sticking point. NI does not want it on either. Nor does the ROI - the EU is making it an issue as ROI deems it an issue for the country and therefore (as an EU member) they are getting the backing of the EU. Its is not ROI that is leaving the EU its the UK (that might have passed you by) and the EU is addressing the concerns of one of its members.

    Why are the UK allowed to demand that everything is done to make its life easier yet when the EU members do the same its all "making problems that does not really exist" - Its a BIG problem with no simple answer.

    Edit: I am pretty sure the CTA would need to be renegotiated as the treaty ceased to exist in its original form when Ireland and the UK joined the EU. Plus its for people not goods or services. Considering Most of NI's Electricity comes from ROI there is going to be some interesting going on to keep the lights on.
     
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    No ordinary person did anything to change the EU when we were in it. Our influence as a small participant in Europe is about as small as NI’s is on UK wide issues. You may as well not be in it.
     
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    And no ordinary person is going to decide on the future of the UK and the Deals we sign with other countries - so I don't see your point. Ordinary people vote for the MEP (and MP) to make changes on their behalf, the fact some people didn't bother to vote for an MEP meant they dint care about who made the decisions and what those decisions were yet have the audacity to complain about the EU. (edited for clarity)
     
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    Perhaps you should get involved in the negotiates and explain to everyone how the need for a hard border with the EU will not hinder CTA. It seems you have an easy answer no one else can see. I said it was complicated the other day and you said it wasn't. Stil waiting to hear why not.
     
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    Thanks, you’ve amply explained that ordinary people don’t have the chance to effect meaningful change (except by referenda), which was my point entirely after you accused me of not doing anything.

    In your part of the world, a lot of people vote for a Party that actively avoids taking its seats, but I don’t think those people “don’t care about who makes the decisions” in Northern Ireland. Quite the opposite!

    Democracy is more than filling in a ballot paper.
     
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    And yet a party in Northern Ireland in effect holds the balance of power in the UK today, and got a billion quid for NI in the process.
    And if our influence in the EU is so minute, how do we manage to have more opt-outs, exceptions and caveats than anyone else?
     
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    ****ing over a generation of people because people don't fully understand the EU and the purpose is not an answer. It's cutting your nose off despite your face and being incredibly selfish in my opinion.

    I don't think you actually get it. Which makes me sad for the UK. This referendum was a blunt instrument to solve problems that were not caused by the EU. Most if not all of the issues people have raised here are problems caused by successive UK governments not the eu.
    As for the parties in n. Ireland. They all need locking in an air tight room and never let out. They are idiots of the highest order who epitomise everything that's wrong with religion in the guise of politics.
     
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    Er...fowler9 was replying to mmh, not to you ;)
     
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    Apologies to fowler9. I didn't actually spot that. - thats what you get for replying on a mobile in bed :)
     
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    I didn’t vote Leave. I voted to Remain.

    I’m one of life’s passengers and I’m happy to watch the circus. Brexit has been a fine spectacle so far. Carry on chaps.
     
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    Focusing on the year or two that Ulster Protestants have been relevant to UK-wide politics would be a complete fallacy. Much better to look at the long term. Let me know how you think Northern Ireland’s fared since 1921.
     
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    The Troubles were pretty significant, no ? That and the GFA mean I would argue they've been relevant for quite a while
     
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    Unionists and loyalists certainly did not drive the agenda during the Troubles. What, politically, on a UK scale, impact did they have?

    Unionists have often been picked up for convenience, used and dropped by Westminster throughout Irish history, this latest phase is nothing new.
     
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    If Shin fien took up the seats in Westminster then things might look very different. They are all too busy fighting amongst themselves on ideological and religious grounds to actually do anything. (a bit like the dup).
    N. Ireland will be thrown under the bus as soon as its politicaly convenient as usual. Weather this involves the UK offering the Provence to the roi remains to be seen. (not while the dup are useful to the conservertives at least)

    I think it's going to happen with an agreement on money from both the UK government and the EU.

    One slightly good thing is that they are getting their salaries cut for not making an agreement and forming a government in ni. Next cut is due soon as well. I think this was a clause somewhere in the gfa.
     
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    Mate no worries. Ha ha. As far as I am concerned this is just a friendly discussion. I am currently in a great mood. My brother dropped off the radar in Brno on Thursday and me and the rest of the family were terrified about what happened to him. We have spoken to him today and fortunately he just got mugged. He is alive, in one piece and all things being equal is having a beer in Bratislava.
     
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    Glad to hear he's in one piece and back on the radar. And Bratislava's not a bad place to be having a beer :)
     
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    Ha ha indeed. Cheers mate. Am the happiest person in the world right now.
     
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    Good to read. Although I thought a Bratislava is what us Lankys covered our faces with when it's cold in summ...winter!!
    Must admit, it's on my places-to-do list, as is the capital of Belarus (Minsk) now they offer 5-day tourist visa-free entry, so no palava. So is Odessa and Kiev - I seem to want to go further east, maybe something politically leaning? Or just new places and cheap beer? ;)
     
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    Thats great to hear he is ok :)
     
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    No-one seems to have said anything on here about Hungary or the Electoral Commission vs the High Court, so I thought I would.

    Why not?
     
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    I thought Hungary got fairly full coverage in the media, including the usual BBC interviews where hostility to the right came over very clearly indeed, but it quickly dropped off the radar. Is this another case of a far-away country of which we know very little? The judgement on the Electoral Commission was mentioned on BBC radio news during the day whichever day it was it came out, but when I then watched the 6pm television news in the hope of getting some fairly full coverage I was disappointed that it didn't get a mention at all! Yet I'd have thought that a very significant judgement about a matter of great moment to us all just now—on an issue where there has been no healing of the bitter divisions brought about by a referendum here the decision was very narrowly won indeed—would have merited a very great deal of comment and discussion. After all, it's the integrity of the referendum process tghat's at stake.
     
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    The BBC's interview with Theresa May that partially aired this morning has to be the least inspiring or confidence-raising interview she's given yet. She can't lead her own way out of a wet paper bag, let alone the UK out of the EU.

    As a country it feels as though we're a bit hosed, are we not? Something has to give..the Chequers plan sounds like a dead duck but apparently it's either that or no deal at all. What are your predictions for the next six months? Do we need Mystic Meg in on this?
     
  27. nidave

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    Crash out with no deal. It's what the hard conservatives want and no one will ever agree on anything else. The years of pain and strife.
     
  28. Bromley boy

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    No. We need (Rees)-Mogg
     
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    There seems to be some connections between Mad Cow disease outbreak in 1992 and Brexit referendum local results in 2016.

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    Source: Annexum_Huib (from Twitter)
     
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    Lots of rural areas of the country voted leave, so perhaps not such a great surprise.
     
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