That isn't relevant to the point of mine you responded to. Whatever effect free movement had on the result, any country wanting to be in the single market has to accept free movement. So what Corbyn wants is not on offer, though not as much of a contradiction as a backstop with an escape mechanism.because ending free movement was probably a major factor in many voting to leave. Especially in the old labour heartlands up North
Ed Miliband is MP for Doncaster North. Doncaster is 91.4% English-born, 93.8% UK-born.Look at Ed Millibands seat. Plenty like that in t'grim north.
I would be frankly astonished if anyone from London got home from work on a Friday and decided to go to Calais for a pint.In London and the south-east I wouldn't be surprised if many got home from work on a Friday and decided to spend the evening in a pub in Calais or Lille (Eurostar) - that easy (as it should be). I've done many a day-trip by air to the near continent from Manchester, passport, EHIC, credit card and it's all so easy.
No it wasn't. I will let you do the research (which will take seconds) to prove that is a lie.it was made clear that 'leave the EU' meant leave the single market, the customs union, the jurisdiction if the ECJ and ending freedom of movement at the time of the referendum.
Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be very careful what he wishes for... My view is that the threat of negative consequences for Ireland will be enough to get a good agreement for Britain, unless the EU can find enough ships to bypass the UK with goods from Continental Europe directly to Eire.
No it wasn't. I will let you do the research (which will take seconds) to prove that is a lie.
2017 was after the referendum campaign.I seem to remember a certain speech from David Cameron, whom it was quite reasonable for people to take as a true source of authority on the subject.
As an aside, without checking I seem to remember something similar was also in the Conservatives 2017 manifesto.
I seem to remember a certain speech from David Cameron, whom it was quite reasonable for people to take as a true source of authority on the subject.
As an aside, without checking I seem to remember something similar was also in the Conservatives 2017 manifesto.
Calais...fair enough. However Lille, Brugge, Oostende, Gent...I would be frankly astonished if anyone from London got home from work on a Friday and decided to go to Calais for a pint.
I would be frankly astonished if anyone from London got home from work on a Friday and decided to go to Calais for a pint.
A certain Mr. N. Farage certainly does do that journey frequently.I did read that many on bot side commute to work via Eurostar, although they must have a salary to make Rees-Mogg weep.
Better than Ramsgate!
No it wasn't. I will let you do the research (which will take seconds) to prove that is a lie.
I always knew from 2016 that if you leave, you have to leave everything to make it worthwhile. Leave voters don't care about the affects of a hard brexit, because they don't believe in being a part of those EU institutions in principle.
What you said has pretty much nothing at all to do with what I was replying to. You know, stuff like politicians saying leave doesn't mean we have to leave the common market or customs union etc. We can be like Norway or Switzerland etc. Well done.I'm pretty sure the-
"We had to cut our Commenwealth trade deals", "we can't stop EU immigration" and the "unelected Brussels officals" complaints that have been around for years are directly related to each of those things. I always knew from 2016 that if you leave, you have to leave everything to make it worthwhile. Leave voters don't care about the affects of a hard brexit, because they don't believe in being a part of those EU institutions in principle.
The trouble is that David Cameron decided to try to skew the referendum by not having a plan for leaving. That is why he was out of Downing Street so quickly after the referendum.
What you said has pretty much nothing at all to do with what I was replying to. You know, stuff like politicians saying leave doesn't mean we have to leave the common market or customs union etc. We can be like Norway or Switzerland etc. Well done.
The trouble is that David Cameron didn't even vaguely consider the prospect of Leave winning, so he didn't bother to prepare for that outcome. Nothing to do with him 'trying to skew the referendum'.
ECJ jurisdiction required for Norway/Switzerland models. Therefore not total reclamation of sovereignty.
The ECJ red line is more down to the number of times they told Mrs May off during her time as Home Secretary than anything else.
Although at least we'll be free of the them stopping us deporting terrorists though, right?
Brexit was voted almost 3 years ago, it is due in two effing weeks, and you cannot tell the respective responsibilities of the ECJ and the ECHR.
Those who claim the referendum result must be respected because it's the will of the people simply haven't thought it through. Sadly that includes the Prime Minister and lots of Government ministers who really should know better.
one wonders what would have happened in 1975 had we voted to leave? That was my first go at voting. Looks like we were comprehensively lied to then too.
The then Attorney General, Lord KilMiur, wrote to Ted Heath to say
http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2016-014-attorney-generals-letter-to-edward-heath-loss-of-sovereignty/
Then ted heath went on to say to the nation 'there will be no loss of national sovereignty.'
Let's remind ourselves of what we were told about brexit shall we...I seem to remember a certain speech from David Cameron, whom it was quite reasonable for people to take as a true source of authority on the subject.
As an aside, without checking I seem to remember something similar was also in the Conservatives 2017 manifesto.
Every one seems to have forgotten all that.Let's remind ourselves of what we were told about brexit shall we...
"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market" - Daniel Hannan MEP
"Only a madman would actually leave the Market" - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer
"Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing" - Nigel Farage, Ukip leader
"The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people" - Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive
"Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK" - Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder