Eurostar delays at Paris in pre-Brexit trial run

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  1. geoffk

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    [Evening Standard 6th March 2019]

    According to Real Time Trains, trains from Paris were between an hour and 100 minutes late crossing Kent and similar delays are evident today.

    I remember doing Paris to Leeds in five hours a few years ago. Not any more.
     
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  3. gordonthemoron

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    surely the extra work would be at St Pancras rather than Paris/Brussels?
     
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    As opposed the usual situation, which is Eurostar delays at Paris because of The French?
     
  5. Groningen

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    Will UK border patrol remain in Brussel and Paris?
     
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    As they are bilateral agreements, most likely yes.
     
  7. ChiefPlanner

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    Waltzed through from Amsterdam today - classic to BX and then the 1757 for Lille and Ashford. We were held maybe 10 mins "awaiting passengers" at Lille - lost path on HS1 but good enough.

    In passing the morning London to Amsterdam is a real joy of a train. Loadings seem decent enough also. I lived the idea of the aperific car doing a round in Standard-Premier - to assist you arrive happily into thr city.
     
  8. geoffk

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    Brussels trains are not affected - only Paris trains and I see they are still coming through the tunnel very late.
     
  9. paddington

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    So Brexit means French strikes?
     
  10. AM9

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    No, brexit means lots of unforseen and unplanned for delays.
     
  11. anme

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    Brexit is likely to mean a lot more paperwork at borders, if the UK really does leave the single market and customs union, which were specifically set up to reduce red tape and wasted time and resources. The French border staff are striking because they think more staff and more pay is required to do this extra work after brexit.

    This must be a tough one for brexiters. On one hand, sneering at foreigners seems to be a core part of leaver ideology. On the other hand, if the French government doesn't spend their taxpayers money on more customs staff and facilities, it will cause delays at the border which will be very bad for the UK. I wonder which side they will take?

    The best solution may be for the British to pay the French government to invest in extra customs staff and facilities.
     
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    According to an article in the Evening Standard last night after their luggage had been scanned every passenger was being asked where they lived, what their jobs were and if they were carrying any money or drugs.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tra...oms-staff-continue-brexit-drill-a4084996.html

     
  13. SamYeager

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    So essentially French customs were nit picking to the point of absurdity which is something they would very rarely do even if the traveller came from the USA or Africa? Of course the editor of the Evening Standard is vehemently anti Brexit and so has a strong incentive to play this up.
     
  14. dave75

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    Yes. I had this today. Every passenger being asked if they 10k/drugs/alcohol/tobacco. Luckily on a train 'only' 30 minutes late leaving. Not much point arriving earlier as you will wait 4 earlier train queues to clear.

    Took about 45 mins to get through and i was lucky as a lateish arrival skipping ahead of people queuing 4 next train (i was travelling from elsewhere so had no choice re my arrival time).
     
  15. Aictos

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    Indeed the French who strike for any reason and often enough be it Rail, Air Traffic Control, Ports or Roads are only doing so to spite the UK Government and bully them into accepting their demands.

    As stated in the report above and I quote "particularly as French customs currently deal with thousands of non-EU passport holders every day." So why do the French need to waste and I quote again "minimum of three minutes interrogating every passenger whose luggage had already been cleared by passing through a detector."

    So what's the difference between non EU passport holders and UK passport holders after Brexit? It just seems to me that the French unions are doing this because the French Government allows them to get away with it as always and as to the UK paying the French more to secure their own borders I disagree because I don't see the French paying us more money to secure our own borders so why should we pay them more?

    Surely it's down to each country to fund and secure their own borders?
     
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    They're not customs, they're immigration/border control
     
  17. SHD

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    No, they are customs agents (Douanes), but they have the right to question travelers on their whereabouts.
    Immigration/Border control is performed by the Police aux frontières (PAF).

    If you mean that it would be much more practical if the UK government performed its border controls for Eurostar passengers on its own territory, I totally agree with you...
     
  18. anme

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    Well it depends, doesn't it? It's a big problem for the UK if there are delays at the UK/France border, and the French taxpayer may not be interested in spending lots of money just because of Nigel Farage.

    Out of interest, why don't the British customs agents do the same? Surely they deserve a pay rise too?
     
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    Too late then. Easier to stop an illegal boarding in Paris or Brussels than trying to deport them from U.K.
     
  20. Mag_seven

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    At the end of the day we have decided to leave the EU so we will have to live with the consequences. Of course Rees-Mogg et al will get round the problem by hiring their own private jets etc.
     
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    Indeed, It affects us just as much as the French so surely they deserve more staffing and a pay rise to boot?

    As I said above, the French like to strike for any reason if any is needed in the first place and I'm not anti French indeed apart from Paris Est a few years ago where staff were worse then in the UK I've actually enjoyed my trips to France.

    I just don't see why the French Unions should be allowed to get away with so much, yes Brexit is happening but I don't see the UK using it as a excuse to cause delays to innocents and also what's the difference between UK passport holders and Non EU passport holders after Brexit? Answer nothing, the French are simply being awkward because they can be, maybe just maybe we ought to mirror their approach and delay on purpose people's journeys and blame it on Brexit?
     
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    Are our customs agents still proper agents, or is it outsourced like the passport control is to agency staff? At St Pancras, you see them scan your passport with a phone app and - it appears - if they have any issue then they just let you through anyway, rather than scan again.

    The upside is speed, but if proper checks are brought in then people will notice a difference.

    After all, if they scan a passport and it shows up on a watchlist, what happens then? Do they press a panic button or something? Do they detain you themselves?
     
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    If the economy crashes, he'll maybe use the opportunity to invest in Eurostar or other businesses at a discount to make a few quid when things, hopefully, recover over the next - what was it he said - 50 years?

    Jacob and his cronies are sure to do okay from Brexit, that's for sure. Good news for him and his businesses, family etc.
     
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    I know perfectly well that this extraterritorial border control by the UKBF has significant benefits when it comes to limiting illegal immigration to the UK. But as you are surely aware it has long been a favour extended to HMG by France and Belgium (through trilateral agreements) and is not practical for a railway operation. Even for air transport, it is very rare (I am only aware of the US doing it in Ireland, Canada, UAE, and Caribbean countries).
     
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  25. anme

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    Why is it not practical for a railway operation? It seems to work pretty well.
     
  26. SHD

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    It requires a "sterile" zone in the departure station (*). Where this is not possible or where additional stops are planned in the Schengen zone (e.g Amsterdam, ski, Marseille Eurostar), it has led to the ridiculous de-training and re-training ballet.

    (*) the mezzanine at PNO that is so maligned on this forum
     
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    But it works very well where it is in place. I would not like to see it dropped in Paris, Brussels, London, etc, and I am sure Eurostar wouldn't want it dropped either.
     
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    Delays or not, customs checks will take much longer than at present. That’s the point.
     
  29. geoffk

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    (irony alert) Look on the bright side, we'll get blue passports.
     
  30. SHD

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    Blue, adorned with DIEU ET MON DROIT, bearing HM the Queen’s signature... and printed in France. That’s English irony (*) for you!

    (*) Honni soit qui mal y pense, obviously
     
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    Arent the agency staff at airports just help with the queuing system?
     

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