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Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

sd0733

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Does anyone know which services are 67s on the Manchester route tomorrow, please?

Also where do I put my bike? In the DVT?
Should be 0635, 0849, 1052, 1449, 1649, 1855 from Cardiff.
Depends where you're going from and to but if the DVT is platformed at both ends then yes bikes go in there.
 
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Thanks very much. I’m going from Stockport to Shrewsbury and return, so I’m assuming the DVT will be paltformed both ends. The TfW website is unclear whether reservations are needed for bikes. Anyone know?
 

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Thanks very much. I’m going from Stockport to Shrewsbury and return, so I’m assuming the DVT will be paltformed both ends. The TfW website is unclear whether reservations are needed for bikes. Anyone know?
It'll be platformed yes. As far as I know no reservations required.
 

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Absolutely appalling that they send the Milford train west from Cardiff at exactly the same time as the service from Manchester arrives on the adjoining platform.
Indeed, for those of us living west of Swansea it means a very long wait. Hopefully they'll sort this out as part of TfW's timetable review.
 

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Presently the timings can be seen on RTT but that will drop off soon so I have provided the relevant lines here:

(From: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...DF/2024-03-27/1340?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)


As you can see the Manchester Piccadilly terminated late at 1349 1/2 whilst the continuation left at 1349

The Milford Haven train arrived at Swansea early: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P63962/2024-03-27/detailed#allox_id=0

 

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I was on the five car set from Shrewsbury today.

I’m really sold on them. Fantastic trains! TfW have been criticised a lot in recent months, and I have to admit the idea of Mark IVs on the Marched seemed a stretch to me, but if the reliability keeps improving then it will have been worth the pain.
 

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I was on the five car set from Shrewsbury today.

I’m really sold on them. Fantastic trains! TfW have been criticised a lot in recent months, and I have to admit the idea of Mark IVs on the Marched seemed a stretch to me, but if the reliability keeps improving then it will have been worth the pain.
Great to hear the good experience!

Many have been incredibly critical of TFW, from their long term plan choices, to the way things are running day to day. And sometimes it’s been totally justified, at one stage the daily running was near catastrophic (not that TFW had any ability to make it better than they had) I’ve been a huge advocate for them both on here, on other social media and In person, forever saying that things will improve as the new rolling stock comes through we will have longer, more frequent and more reliable trains. And in my opinion the MK4’s really should be the pride of the fleet despite being much older than much of the brand new stock we will have.
Very comfortable, good capacity and a fantastic catering offering rarely seen on rail these days.
The MK4’s reliability seems to have improved a lot as SD said further up this thread, here to hoping it’s long term.
I personally would love to see HD08 get restored and brought into service and then possibly a few more sets could get picked up when LNER let a few more go.
And possibly a different loco so that through running to Swansea could be possible for all MK4 services.
 

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I’m due on the 1453 from Cardiff today and noticed on RTT the the expected inbound from Manchester is a 150 (due into Cardiff at 1350?) does that look like it’ll be a set swap in that case?
 

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I’m due on the 1453 from Cardiff today and noticed on RTT the the expected inbound from Manchester is a 150 (due into Cardiff at 1350?) does that look like it’ll be a set swap in that case?
The 14:53 from Cardiff is formed off the 04:54 from Crewe which was HD03.
 

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The 14:53 from Cardiff is formed off the 04:54 from Crewe which was HD03.
Ah brill, thanks. To be fair you did post the diagrams on the last page so I should’ve noticed but appreciated none the less!

Is there any place I can see what all the MK4s are made up of DVT+coach wise?
 

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I’m due on the 1453 from Cardiff today and noticed on RTT the the expected inbound from Manchester is a 150 (due into Cardiff at 1350?) does that look like it’ll be a set swap in that case?

Immediately below a post which said how great TfW are for having 30 year old reject stock from England.

The Mk4 is nothing more than a vanity project which has severed connectivity and left continual mess in its wake. Yes, Mk4s are nice when they run, but they do not always run, don't look like getting to the full set of diagrams any time soon, and that is not good enough. People on here seem excited when the booked train actually turns up as booked. That is how bad the Mk4 project has made the Marches.

So forgive me if I am critical of TfW. I doubt anyone else who watched their connection pulling out as the Mk4 pulled in, thus earning an hour in Cardiff, would be happy either (And that is when the connection works, for many hours the Cardiff time after splitting the diagram is not even long enough to continue West without the long wait).
 

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Do you know what mk4s are out tomorrow between Manchester and Cardiff? I plan to travel from Shrewsbury to Cardiff.
Shrewsbury to Cardiff should be everything except the 05:37 which will be a unit.
I believe that the diagram has swapped back to the original too so it would be the 09:44/17:44 booked as Mk4s and the 11:44/19:44 back to booked units.
 

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Immediately below a post which said how great TfW are for having 30 year old reject stock from England.

The Mk4 is nothing more than a vanity project which has severed connectivity and left continual mess in its wake. Yes, Mk4s are nice when they run, but they do not always run, don't look like getting to the full set of diagrams any time soon, and that is not good enough. People on here seem excited when the booked train actually turns up as booked. That is how bad the Mk4 project has made the Marches.

So forgive me if I am critical of TfW. I doubt anyone else who watched their connection pulling out as the Mk4 pulled in, thus earning an hour in Cardiff, would be happy either (And that is when the connection works, for many hours the Cardiff time after splitting the diagram is not even long enough to continue West without the long wait).
I live in the North of England, and we could do with a few vanity projects here!
 

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I live in the North of England, and we could do with a few vanity projects here!
Which particular through connections would you like to sever? (That is off topic by the way)

I guess the equivalent of Cardiff to Manchester as a 150 is TransPennine using 150s to Newcastle? Maybe the Saltburn train if Newcastle seems a bit bigger than Cardiff? Worth remembering too that TPE do have Mk5 which are new, not hand-me-downs, and have phased them out because unreliable microfleets are not progress.

I guess it is hard for rail enthusiasts to think that normal passengers prefer a 197 on a direct train than loco-hauled stock that breaks the connection and gets replaced with a 150 (or borrows the 197 from a direct train so the 197 gets replaced with a 150). I find it laughable that people defend TfW when this whole thread is "which of the booked diagrams are actually running?"

We are told there are changes coming to the timetable, but this shambles has been going on for more than one timetable change already. It seems so long ago we had a reliable 175 service on the Marches which connected West Wales to Manchester hourly.
 

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Can I suggest a new topic is created for what Mk4 is allocated to what trip and this topic is kept to discussing the Mk4's rather than their daily schedules?
 

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Which particular through connections would you like to sever? (That is off topic by the way)

I guess the equivalent of Cardiff to Manchester as a 150 is TransPennine using 150s to Newcastle? Maybe the Saltburn train if Newcastle seems a bit bigger than Cardiff? Worth remembering too that TPE do have Mk5 which are new, not hand-me-downs, and have phased them out because unreliable microfleets are not progress.

I guess it is hard for rail enthusiasts to think that normal passengers prefer a 197 on a direct train than loco-hauled stock that breaks the connection and gets replaced with a 150 (or borrows the 197 from a direct train so the 197 gets replaced with a 150). I find it laughable that people defend TfW when this whole thread is "which of the booked diagrams are actually running?"

We are told there are changes coming to the timetable, but this shambles has been going on for more than one timetable change already. It seems so long ago we had a reliable 175 service on the Marches which connected West Wales

Your beef is with TfW, not me
 

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Immediately below a post which said how great TfW are for having 30 year old reject stock from England.

The Mk4 is nothing more than a vanity project which has severed connectivity and left continual mess in its wake. Yes, Mk4s are nice when they run, but they do not always run, don't look like getting to the full set of diagrams any time soon, and that is not good enough. People on here seem excited when the booked train actually turns up as booked. That is how bad the Mk4 project has made the Marches.

So forgive me if I am critical of TfW. I doubt anyone else who watched their connection pulling out as the Mk4 pulled in, thus earning an hour in Cardiff, would be happy either (And that is when the connection works, for many hours the Cardiff time after splitting the diagram is not even long enough to continue West without the long wait).
There is still connectivity across Cardiff. Yes it's only 2 hourly now instead of hourly, but given the vast majority of passengers on both sides leave the train at Cardiff that seems a reasonable compromise to me. In the past ATW/TFW struggled with capacity in the peaks into Manchester because of the length of time it took to do a Manchester/West Wales round trip. Now the capacity of the MKIVs can be concentrated where it's actually needed.

It also improves reliability on the route since disruption on one side of Cardiff will only affect half of the services on the other side.

So it's a sacrifice for some, but for most an improvement. I'm sorry that you're part of the some, but with a network like TfW there's always going to need to be compromises.
 
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There is still connectivity across Cardiff. Yes it's only 2 hourly now instead of hourly, but given the vast majority of passengers on both sides leave the train at Cardiff that seems a reasonable compromise to me. In the past ATW/TFW struggled with capacity in the peaks into Manchester because of the length of time it took to do a Manchester/West Wales round trip. Now the capacity of the MKIVs can be concentrated where it's actually needed.

It also improves reliability on the route since disruption on one side of Cardiff will only affect half of the services on the other side.

So it's a sacrifice for some, but for most an improvement. I'm sorry that you're part of the some, but with a network like TfW there's always going to need to be compromises.
As someone who lives west of Cardiff its definitely.a lot less useful when travelling to Manchester or stations on the Marches. I often used the 8am (ish) train from Neath and 1830 back neither of which are direct now..Although there is a connection off the 1830. I usually would use the 7am or 9am trains from Neath now which are direct as its easier than connecting. But I accept that the majority of passengers alight at Cardiff in both directions.. its a balance I guess. I also.used the 7am.up and 1630 back quite a bit.and these still run further West. Plus of course on Sundays we still get hourly.as far as Swansea. So it's only inconvenient at certain times.


Anyway to avoid this going.too far off topic does.anyone know why so many first class services didn't run yesterday (I noticed on twitter/X they posted quite a few were units) Given the MK4 have apparently the best availability they have had in a while that really surprised me yesterday.to see so many subbed for units
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Your beef is with TfW, not me
Very much so, but you did question the premise of my questioning TfW so I felt a response was warranted.

There is still connectivity across Cardiff. Yes it's only 2 hourly now instead of hourly, but given the vast majority of passengers on both sides leave the train at Cardiff that seems a reasonable compromise to me. In the past ATW/TFW struggled with capacity in the peaks into Manchester because of the length of time it took to do a Manchester/West Wales round trip. Now the capacity of the MKIVs can be concentrated where it's actually needed.

It also improves reliability on the route since disruption on one side of Cardiff will only affect half of the services on the other side.

So it's a sacrifice for some, but for most an improvement. I'm sorry that you're part of the some, but with a network like TfW there's always going to need to be compromises.

That would be ok if there were no issues created by terminating trains at Cardiff and someone in TfW control could maintain connections. Problems with terminating trains at Cardiff are well documented so increasing the number of terminators seems like a bad idea.

In terms of capacity, I thought that was what the 197s achieved. Since we will be seeing 2+3 and splitting/joining at Swansea. Doing so hourly would seem like a step forwards without causing too much disbenefit for Cardiff.

As noted though the timetable is finally going to change and then we should see the connectivity back. It is not as good as it could be, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

Just got to get control to hold connections a bit better (even just 5 minutes as a cap would help greatly).
 

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