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Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

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A possible fly in the ointment there is the fact that many of the Cardiff-Holyhead services will be MkIV operated, so it'd be mainly the Liverpool services that run through to West Wales. As you state, there'd be no slack in the MkIV fleet to go west of Cardiff.

(Maybe the crayon fairy could persuade LNER to buy a few more IEPs and release their remaining MkIVs for us, to make things easier? :P)
Only three, and it's arguable that the first northbound and last southbound would be expected to not run West of Cardiff anyway given the times of day involved. It might be possible to have some kind of creative set swap at Cardiff with a DMU in the hours when a MKIV is forming a Holyhead service.
 
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Only three, and it's arguable that the first northbound and last southbound would be expected to not run West of Cardiff anyway given the times of day involved. It might be possible to have some kind of creative set swap at Cardiff with a DMU in the hours when a MKIV is forming a Holyhead service.

This all sounds very messy to me. It is a shame they don't seem to have enough to do all of it including Cardiff-Holyhead on a 2 hourly or even better hourly pattern.

It seems we are forever doomed not to have a proper Takt on a simple network that is ideally suited to one.

To continue this: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/timetable-implications-of-tfw-mk4-sets.230634/
 
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A possible fly in the ointment there is the fact that many of the Cardiff-Holyhead services will be MkIV operated, so it'd be mainly the Liverpool services that run through to West Wales. As you state, there'd be no slack in the MkIV fleet to go west of Cardiff.

(Maybe the crayon fairy could persuade LNER to buy a few more IEPs and release their remaining MkIVs for us, to make things easier? :P)
Or maybe the remaining Mk IVs just don’t get chopped up?
 

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This all sounds very messy to me. It is a shame they don't seem to have enough to do all of it including Cardiff-Holyhead on a 2 hourly or even better hourly pattern.

It seems we are forever doomed not to have a proper Takt on a simple network that is ideally suited to one.
could someone explain what takt means please
 

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Just a gentle reminder this thread is a traction & rolling stock thread; speculation on possible timetable changes, or anything else is best placed in a new thread, thanks :)
 

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What's it called? It's called Cumbernauld
could someone explain what takt means please

Takt is short for taktfahrplan (or taktplanen), which is used in Germany and Switzerland where there is a standard pattern timetable with trains (and connecting bus services that has through ticketing) that always departs at the same minutes past each hour (or every 2 hours for rural lines) throughout much of the day.

Also, in Germany and Switzerland, another aspect of the taktplanen is providing quality connections between trains at junction stations, so as passengers can swap over between trains going to a destination that is not directly served. For example, there is no version of the Sussex Scot, Devon Scot, Wessex Scot, etc sharing tracks with other traffic for much of its route which any delays would eventually knacker the taktplan.
 

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No!

As these are still LNER branded, were they previously down to go to GC or were these stored pending future use or scrap?
This looks like the move for the spare DVT (82220), spare TOE (12215), spare buffet (10305) and the three TODs (12304/15/24) that will be used to augment the existing three sets to 5+DVT formation. They were acquired from Eversholt at the same time as the four GC liveried sets; previously they were off-lease.
 

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This looks like the move for the spare DVT (82220), spare TOE (12215), spare buffet (10305) and the three TODs (12304/15/24) that will be used to augment the existing three sets to 5+DVT formation. They were acquired from Eversholt at the same time as the four GC liveried sets; previously they were off-lease.
Ah, that explains it then, Cheers! I've not been keeping up to tabs with the Mk4s so it's good to see the TfW sets augmented / standardised to 5 coaches.
 

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Ah, that explains it then, Cheers! I've not been keeping up to tabs with the Mk4s so it's good to see the TfW sets augmented / standardised to 5 coaches.
Yes, they end up with seven sets in a standard formation of TOE-TO-TOD-RSM-POD-DVT, plus a spare each of TOE, RSM and DVT.
 

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Has it been stated anywhere how many locos will be modified to work with these sets. So far as I'm aware the following have been done so far (9 locos):
8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 22, 25

Would assume a few more are likely?
 

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Has it been stated anywhere how many locos will be modified to work with these sets. So far as I'm aware the following have been done so far (9 locos):
8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 22, 25

Would assume a few more are likely?
I've heard from a couple of usually reliable sources that there will be 16 locos modified eventually.
 
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Yes, they end up with seven sets in a standard formation of TOE-TO-TOD-RSM-POD-DVT, plus a spare each of TOE, RSM and DVT.
Perhaps I got myself confused somewhere down the line but I thought they'd ended up with the POD somewhere in the middle of the formation rather than at one end?
 

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67012 definitely is modified.
Ah ok missed that one! Will amend original post.

Perhaps I got myself confused somewhere down the line but I thought they'd ended up with the POD somewhere in the middle of the formation rather than at one end?
They are with 4 car sets, currently DVT-TO-POD-SV-TOE will be reformed when they are made 5 car and the SDO fitted.
 

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STP 02/05 0931 Reading Traincare - Wembley Rec 1-7
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R03393/2022-05-02/detailed

STP 02/05 5Q86 1205 Wembley Rec 1-7 - Eastleigh TRSMD 57306 12215 12324 12304 10305 12315 82220
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03296/2022-05-02/detaile
STP 24/04 5Q73 1323 Doncaster Works - Wembley Rec 1-7 dep RT 37800 82220 12315 10305 12304 12215 12324

STP 02/05 1641 Eastleigh TRSMD - Reading Traincare
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R03392/2022-05-02/detailed
 
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Two things surprise me with that:

1 is that ROG, having off loaded it's subleased 57/3 fleet, is sub-hiring this one from GWR.

2 is that it's routed via the long way round to Eastleigh via the Berks & Hants / Westbury / Salisbury / Romsey / Chandlers Ford / Eastleigh.
 

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VSTP 03/05 0H72 1730 Derby RTC - Wembley HS dep 1659 37884
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:35746/2022-05-03/detailed

VSTP 03/05 2035 Wembley HS - Westbury Down Recp
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:35849/2022-05-03/detailed

VSTP 04/05 0O86 1210 Westbury Down Recp - Eastleigh TRSMD
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:35737/2022-05-04/detailed

VSTP 04/05 5Q42 1512 Eastleigh TRSMD - Crewe CS dep 1441 37884 GC02 82200
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:35736/2022-05-04/detailed
 
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Could someone remind me of the purpose of these runs? Derby to Crewe via London, Salisbury and Bath is pretty circuitous...
 

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The first three are positioning moves for the light loco from Derby to Eastleigh, and the latter move is the Mark 4 set actually being transferred from Eastleigh to Crewe.
 

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