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It is true that many businesses have shut down completely when this isn't entirely necessary. I've had messages from garages this week saying that they're re-opening, but you have to wonder why they closed in the first place. Yes, they probably needed to change a few things around, but there is plenty of space in a workshop (there has to be), so it seems likely that the complete closures were a result of panic, rather than logical, thought-through decisions.

My window cleaner closed his business, which was a bit bizarre because it is the very definition of a zero-contact business - he's paid via Paypal and requires the windows to be closed while carrying out his work, which he does using a long stick with a hose attached and he's a sole trader so doesn't share his van. Barring the minor risk of a road accident it's as close to zero-risk as a non-work-from-home business could be imagined to be.

I wonder if he just wanted a few weeks off as it had got a bit much (as bad weather had put him behind somewhat) and it was a convenient excuse! Some do seem to still be operating.
 
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Roughly half of office jobs, which make up around 60% of all jobs, are being done from home (34.1% are in office sectors, such as financial services, information and support services. That % could be higher, because not everyone has been supplied with the kit necessary to work from home (presumably for cost reasons)
If a business didn't have working from home kit before this started they probably can't buy enough for all their staff. It's not as dramatic as the PPE shortage but there is a lack of equipment in the supply chain.

Companies like Dell hardly have any stock and keep missing delivery windows. There isn't a webcam or headset to be bought anywhere. Some stores have started pushing TVs with an HDMI input in their monitor section. Etc.
 

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Surely the first phase of exit has to be persuading organisations and workers who were never prevented from working in the first place to re-open??

What's the point of easing the rules to let more organisations open, if there are huge numbers of them which are already allowed still aren't?

I think the first phase will be a strong message from the Govt, along with advice/support etc., will be aimed at all the people/organisations who could work but aren't. Shops, garages, etc that aren't on the "banned" list need to re-open first. Of course, some can't due to staff/owners shielding, or premises that could never be made social-distance compliant (in the same way some could never be made disability compliant, hence the "reasonable" exemption), but we really need to move to get those which could open, back open.

I'm no fan of KFC, Greggs, McDonalds, B&Q, Homebase etc., but I think they're leading the way out of the lockdown. They didn't need to close in the first place, but are making tentative steps to re-open. The rest of the business world will be watching and learning from them. The only thing I don't like is the usual social media echo chamber whingeing about them as if they're doing something wrong and taking advantage of loopholes etc - they're not - they could have stayed open throughout had they applied social distancing, gone takeaway/delivery only etc., which is what they're doing now. Small private businesses have led the way - many stayed open throughout and many have already changed their way of operating to adopt social distancing, i.e. private garden centres, pubs, restaurants, etc doing home deliveries etc.

Indeed. From a business point of view, there's no point opening if people aren't around to use them. People will need to feel that they are allowed to use and reach businesses for them to be worthwhile.
 

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My window cleaner closed his business, which was a bit bizarre because it is the very definition of a zero-contact business - he's paid via Paypal and requires the windows to be closed while carrying out his work, which he does using a long stick with a hose attached and he's a sole trader so doesn't share his van. Barring the minor risk of a road accident it's as close to zero-risk as a non-work-from-home business could be imagined to be.

Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt as he could have an underlying health condition you don't know about and maybe shielding??

But yes, it could be that he's decided to take advantage of the 80% Covid support if he qualifies for it. That's a terrible decision though as he may have lost his customers forever and there'll be nothing left when he decides to start again. Our window cleaner has carried on throughout - he's picked up huge amounts of new business from houses whose usual window cleaner has gone awol. He's picked up 4 of our neighbours who used to use a different one. He's a retired bloke who used to do window cleaning as a hobby for 2 or 3 half days a week to supplement his pension. Now he says he's working full time 5 days per week "filling his boots" as he put it!
 

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I must admit, of all the disturbing aspects of this crisis that have been troubling my mind, not having the windows cleaned for a couple of months hasn't been one of them.
 

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I must admit, of all the disturbing aspects of this crisis that have been troubling my mind, not having the windows cleaned for a couple of months hasn't been one of them.
It's not something I usually bother about a lot, but I've been spending more and more time looking sadly out of them during lockdown, and they could definitely do with a going-over
 

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Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt as he could have an underlying health condition you don't know about and maybe shielding??

Could be, but I do strongly value honesty, and if I was in that position I'd say so. No need for gross detail on what, just "because I come under a shielding group".

But yes, it could be that he's decided to take advantage of the 80% Covid support if he qualifies for it.

I reckon it could well be that. Some people will be using that to get a holiday, effectively, perhaps to do a project at home or something.
 
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I must admit, of all the disturbing aspects of this crisis that have been troubling my mind, not having the windows cleaned for a couple of months hasn't been one of them.

It's not troubling me, the point is that his business isn't one that poses any substantial greater risk than sitting at a computer at your kitchen table.
 

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Our window cleaner is working, but I have heard of others who aren't. Also we had arranged for someone to clean the gutters, but they cried off citing the lockdown (and there's at least two guys working there, so they surely can't both be shielding). Another guy was very happy to come out and do the job though - paid by bank transfer and we only saw him through the window. It is strange.
 

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Working at height on gutters shouldn't really be done on your own for safety reasons.
 

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I must admit, of all the disturbing aspects of this crisis that have been troubling my mind, not having the windows cleaned for a couple of months hasn't been one of them.
It's not troubling me, the point is that his business isn't one that poses any substantial greater risk than sitting at a computer at your kitchen table.

Mine stopped briefly, but he was back cleaning them this week, so it wasn't a very long postponement anyway.
 

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It's not troubling me, the point is that his business isn't one that poses any substantial greater risk than sitting at a computer at your kitchen table.
I think the issue here is the understandably hasty decision to close all non-essential business down very quickly. Much like solo activities like fishing. Classed as a sport it was barred because they had little time to draw up a plan (make your own assessment of why they had little time).

I expect your example is one of those that will be allowed to open up again reasonably soon. Whether that's by a self-policing policy or by some sort of send-off-your-own-risk-assessment-for-approval system, who knows yet. I know a gardener who is the same, and lots of other businesses as well that work alone.
 

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I think the issue here is the understandably hasty decision to close all non-essential business down very quickly. Much like solo activities like fishing. Classed as a sport it was barred because they had little time to draw up a plan (make your own assessment of why they had little time).

I expect your example is one of those that will be allowed to open up again reasonably soon. Whether that's by a self-policing policy or by some sort of send-off-your-own-risk-assessment-for-approval system, who knows yet. I know a gardener who is the same, and lots of other businesses as well that work alone.

That's a myth though. The government only required the following companies to close under the premise of social distancing, every other business was allowed, and even encouraged, to stay open, working from home where practical & possible but otherwise free to carry on their usual business. There's even specific guidance for "Tradespeople and working in people’s homes" which explicitly says that you can continue to work providing that you are well and have no symptoms.

Businesses and venues that must remain closed to members of the public
To reduce social contact, the government has required by law the businesses and venues in the left-hand column to close to members of the public. Legal exceptions, and guidance on their scope, are set out in the right-hand column.

Food and drinkExceptions
Restaurants and public houses, wine bars or other food and drink establishments including within hotels and members’ clubs, such as dining roomsFood delivery and takeaway can remain operational. This can be a new activity supported by the new permitted development rights in England. This covers the provision of hot or cold food that has been prepared for consumers for collection or delivery to be consumed, reheated or cooked by consumers off the premises.
Room service in hotels and accommodation.
Cafés and canteensFood delivery and takeaway can remain operational (and as above).
Cafés and canteens at hospitals, police and fire services’ places of work, care homes or schools; prison and military canteens; services providing food or drink to the homeless may remain open.
Where there are no practical alternatives, other workplace canteens can remain open to provide food for their staff. For example, this could include canteens at police or fire services’ places of work.
However, where possible, the government advises that staff should be encouraged to bring their own food, and distributors can move to takeaway. Employers are encouraged to take measures to minimise the number of people in the canteen, for example by using a rota.
RetailExceptions
Hairdressers, barbers, beauty and nail salons, including piercing and tattoo parlours
All retail, other than those exempt, must close their premises to members of the public. However, staff may be present to make deliveries or provide services in response to orders such as those through telephone, online, or mail• Food retailers, including supermarkets
• Dental services, opticians, audiology services, chiropody, chiropractors, osteopaths and other medical or health services (including physiotherapy and podiatry services), and services relating to mental health
• Pharmacies and chemists, including non-dispensing pharmacies
• Petrol stations
• Bicycle shops
• Veterinary surgeries and pet shops
• Agricultural supplies shops
• Convenience stores, corner shops and newsagents
• Off-licences and licenced shops selling alcohol, including those within breweries
• Laundrettes and dry cleaners
• Post offices
• Taxi or vehicle hire businesses
• Car repair and MOT services
• Car parks
• Banks, building societies, short-term loan providers, credit unions, savings clubs, cash points, currency exchange offices, businesses for the transmission of money, and businesses which cash cheques
• Storage and distribution facilities, including delivery drop off or collection points where they are on the premises of any of the above businesses
• Public toilets
• Shopping centres may stay open but only units of the types listed above may trade
Outdoor and indoor marketsLivestock markets and stalls selling food
Auction housesLivestock auctions
AccommodationExceptions
Holiday accommodation including hotels, hostels, B&Bs, holiday rentals, campsites and boarding housesWhere people live in these as interim abodes whilst their primary residence is unavailable, or they live in them in permanently they may continue to do so.
Hotels and other accommodation listed can be provided to any person who is unable to return to their main residence, and to non-UK residents unable to travel.
People who are unable to move into a new home due to the current restrictions can also stay at hotels.
Where hotels, hostels, and B&Bs are providing rooms to support homeless and other vulnerable people such as those who cannot safely stay in their home, through arrangements with local authorities and other public bodies, they may remain open.
Those attending a funeral will be able to use hotels when returning home would be impractical.
Hotels and other accommodation listed are allowed to host blood donation sessions.
Caravan parks/sites for commercial usesWhere people live permanently in caravan parks or are staying in caravan parks as interim abodes where their primary residence is not available, they may continue to do so.
Caravan parks also have the same exemptions as hotels and other forms of accommodation listed above.
Non-residential institutionsExceptions
LibrariesDigital library services and those where orders are taken electronically, by telephone or by post (for example no-contact Home Library Services) may continue.
Community centresCommunity centres can open for the purpose of hosting essential voluntary activities and urgent public services, such as food banks, homeless services, and blood donation sessions.
A community centre can open temporarily to host a blood donation session for these services only. Public Health England guidelines should be followed, maintaining a distance of two metres.
Places of worshipFunerals may be held, but it is advised that they be conducted in line with guidance from Public Health England.
Burial grounds and cemeteries can remain open. Grounds surrounding crematoria may also remain open, including gardens of remembrance.
Providers of funeral services, such as funeral directors and funeral homes, may remain open.
A minister of religion or worship leader may leave their home to travel to their place of worship. A place of worship may broadcast an act of worship, whether over the internet or otherwise.
A place of worship can remain open for the purpose of hosting essential voluntary activities and urgent public services, such as food banks, homeless services, and blood donation sessions.
Assembly and leisureExceptions
Museums and galleries
Nightclubs
Cinemas, theatres and concert hallsSmall group performances for the purposes of live streaming could be permissible where Public Health England guidelines are observed and no audience members attend the venue.
Bingo halls, casinos and betting shops
Spas and massage parlours
Skating rinks
Indoor fitness studios, gyms, swimming pools or other indoor leisure centresAny suitable assembly or leisure premises may open for blood donation sessions.
Indoor arcades, bowling alleys, soft play centres and similar facilities
Funfairs
Outdoor recreationExceptions
Playgrounds, sports courts, outdoor gyms and outdoor swimming poolsParks can remain open. See further government guidance on access to green spaces.

@Bletchleyite's window cleaner was always free to carry on working!
 

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Well considering spain and italy had much harsh lockdowns People in the UK shouldnt be complaining. If we locked down earlier and locked down harsher, less people would have died. :'(

The more people who break and resist, the longer lockdown continues. Thats reality. People need to get on best they can till the review is done and we know what happens next.

Covid in terms of deaths is worst globally than swine flu was! No media outlets seem to be reporting about that funnily enough.

The best scenario is social distancing continuing till september/october then we can actually return to a normal setting. Till this is only the beginning in terms of social distancing. Lockdown may end but the fight against covid is a long term fight.

People need to be thinking about the health of their families and wider population first and formost before themselves.

Their are wide resources available to those struggling with mental health. They are exempted from the 1 exercise a day rule already. Personally I’am already using those resources and Iam managing fine but obviously everyone is different in terms of mental health.
 

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That's a myth though. The government only required the following companies to close under the premise of social distancing, every other business was allowed, and even encouraged, to stay open, working from home where practical & possible but otherwise free to carry on their usual business. There's even specific guidance for "Tradespeople and working in people’s homes" which explicitly says that you can continue to work providing that you are well and have no symptoms.



@Bletchleyite's window cleaner was always free to carry on working!
Ah of course, I'd forgotten the wording changed within a few hours of it being announced! Maybe the lack of clarity afterwards could have kept sole traders from working? That and the curtain twitchers.

Edit: thinking about it, there are a fair few plumbers and electricians still working, and I'm sure a friend of mine is having a kitchen installed currently...
 

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Surely the first phase of exit has to be persuading organisations and workers who were never prevented from working in the first place to re-open??

What's the point of easing the rules to let more organisations open, if there are huge numbers of them which are already allowed still aren't?

I think the first phase will be a strong message from the Govt, along with advice/support etc., will be aimed at all the people/organisations who could work but aren't. Shops, garages, etc that aren't on the "banned" list need to re-open first. Of course, some can't due to staff/owners shielding, or premises that could never be made social-distance compliant (in the same way some could never be made disability compliant, hence the "reasonable" exemption), but we really need to move to get those which could open, back open.

I'm no fan of KFC, Greggs, McDonalds, B&Q, Homebase etc., but I think they're leading the way out of the lockdown. They didn't need to close in the first place, but are making tentative steps to re-open. The rest of the business world will be watching and learning from them. The only thing I don't like is the usual social media echo chamber whingeing about them as if they're doing something wrong and taking advantage of loopholes etc - they're not - they could have stayed open throughout had they applied social distancing, gone takeaway/delivery only etc., which is what they're doing now. Small private businesses have led the way - many stayed open throughout and many have already changed their way of operating to adopt social distancing, i.e. private garden centres, pubs, restaurants, etc doing home deliveries etc.
I think when this got out that it was seriously contageous everybody sort of went into panic mode,you can't blame people for that.
Not exactly helped by 24/7 mass media fanning the flames.It exacerbated an already serious issue into a full blown crisis.

I would agree that the best way out of this is a gradual easement of restrictions,but not as a regional thing, it needs to be done nationally.

McD's, burger king etc doing drive thru and delivery is a step in the right direction.
stuff like garden centres and places of worship could have restrictions lifted quite easily. in the case of the latter,people may think it's bonkers, but this has been a rather distressing time for a lot of people(who may have lost relatives), and a bit of pastoral care,counsel and so on is actually a very important service.

perhaps other pastimes like fishing could be permitted.It's a reasonably socially distanced activity,and a bit of fresh air and a way to kill a few hours and de-stress would not go amiss.

(for me,my de-stress mechanism during this period has been diy and gardening,but each to their own)
 
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I would agree that the best way out of this is a gradual easement of restrictions,but not as a regional thing, it needs to be done nationally.
I agree that lifting restrictions regionally could cause problems, particularly at the borders.

However, the problem is that the numbers still getting new infections and the numbers in hospital are not falling by the same rate everywhere. In London, the numbers in hospital has fallen dramatically, whereas in some other areas, the numbers in hospital hardly seem to be falling at all, indicating that the infection is barely under control. Do we all have to wait until these areas catch up? Or do we release restrictions and hope that in those areas where the virus is currently barely under control, it doesn't accelerate back out of control?

Have to admit that I don't really understand why the numbers don't seem to be falling by much the same rate everywhere. The UK lockdown was imposed universally everywhere at the same time, so I would have expected the numbers to peak and then drop everywhere at the same time. However, the numbers in London have certainly peaked and dropped, both sooner and faster than elsewhere - which is exactly the reverse of what I would have expected. With all the problems of social-distancing in a dense urban environment and significant use of public transport, I would have thought London would be the last place in the UK to get the virus under control, but instead it seems to be the first! I suspect that people in areas that haven't been much touched by the virus aren't taking the social-distancing quite as seriously as those where you are likely to know someone first-hand who has been affected.
 

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I think the issue here is the understandably hasty decision to close all non-essential business down very quickly.

That wasn't done, though. Only a specific set of customer-facing businesses (the kind where you tend to get mass gatherings) were closed. Others chose to close, particularly once the furlough scheme started, partly due to risk but also partly because business would be down and furlough was a form of protection of the wider business if it was possible to "put it on hold".
 

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Have to admit that I don't really understand why the numbers don't seem to be falling by much the same rate everywhere. The UK lockdown was imposed universally everywhere at the same time, so I would have expected the numbers to peak and then drop everywhere at the same time. However, the numbers in London have certainly peaked and dropped, both sooner and faster than elsewhere - which is exactly the reverse of what I would have expected. With all the problems of social-distancing in a dense urban environment and significant use of public transport, I would have thought London would be the last place in the UK to get the virus under control, but instead it seems to be the first! I suspect that people in areas that haven't been much touched by the virus aren't taking the social-distancing quite as seriously as those where you are likely to know someone first-hand who has been affected.

London was a week or two ahead of the rest of the UK so I'd expect it to follow a similar course in terms of going down too.
 

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London was a week or two ahead of the rest of the UK so I'd expect it to follow a similar course in terms of going down too.
well if there is any good news to be gleaned over he last few days,it does appear that the trend is downward.lets hope it continues.I think most likely easement is still some gradual lifting from may bank holiday on,despite what the papers are scaremongering.
 

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London was a week or two ahead of the rest of the UK so I'd expect it to follow a similar course in terms of going down too.
The trigger for the infection/hospitalisation drop in London was lockdown. Since that started at the same time nationally why would there be a lag outside London?
 

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well if there is any good news to be gleaned over he last few days,it does appear that the trend is downward.lets hope it continues.I think most likely easement is still some gradual lifting from may bank holiday on,despite what the papers are scaremongering.

The political significance of allowing people to meet family again on VE Day is something the Government will not ignore.
 

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The trigger for the infection/hospitalisation drop in London was lockdown. Since that started at the same time nationally why would there be a lag outside London?

Because the "lockdown" was the trigger for lots of London people to leave the capital and move to their second homes (rich) or families (uni students etc.). There was a lot of movement in the few days after lockdown was announced - even though there shouldn't have been as per the rules. People who were carrying the virus then spread it around the area they'd moved to.
 

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That wasn't done, though. Only a specific set of customer-facing businesses (the kind where you tend to get mass gatherings) were closed. Others chose to close, particularly once the furlough scheme started, partly due to risk but also partly because business would be down and furlough was a form of protection of the wider business if it was possible to "put it on hold".

And presumably because there was a heavy focus on avoiding public transport, which for city-based businesses in practice doesn’t leave much alternative.

I suspect also some businesses came under pressure from staff - “we shouldn’t be here”. As I posted before, I was pretty much hounded out of Halfords before the lockdown, it was pretty evident the staff didn’t want to be there and didn’t want anyone in the store.
 

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families (uni students etc.)

Don't be so sure about an exodus of students from London - you can see from this BBC article and graph that there's a massive spike in net migration figures for 18/19 year olds as they head out from London to universities across the UK. There may have been some flight of students abandoning London, but a large portion of the London university student body is overseas students. Not to mention that you'll have had plenty of students also returning from across the UK back in to London.
 

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Have to admit that I don't really understand why the numbers don't seem to be falling by much the same rate everywhere. The UK lockdown was imposed universally everywhere at the same time, so I would have expected the numbers to peak and then drop everywhere at the same time. However, the numbers in London have certainly peaked and dropped, both sooner and faster than elsewhere - which is exactly the reverse of what I would have expected. With all the problems of social-distancing in a dense urban environment and significant use of public transport, I would have thought London would be the last place in the UK to get the virus under control, but instead it seems to be the first! I suspect that people in areas that haven't been much touched by the virus aren't taking the social-distancing quite as seriously as those where you are likely to know someone first-hand who has been affected.
The fact that the peak was earlier and more severe could mean that the disease has worked its way all the way through the readily at-risk population there. That could mean that there's a lot more people than anticipated who have had it without symptoms, or just aren't vulernable to catching it, or even just that it had done the rounds of all the key workers in the capital a week or so earlier.

Of course it could be none of those things. It could just be that the ambulance service in London got used to more aggressive triage measures and the pre-intensive care treatment is more effective there thanks to experience. Other regions haven't gained so much experience of treatment, and haven't come so close to running out of beds, so they may be taking in people who could relatively safely stay at home.

Ultimately if altering lockdown on a regional basis is going to be too confusing then it's a bit of a moot point for us. I imagine there are a lot of researchers trying to draw conclusions as we speak though
 

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Points to whoever said we'll see a new slogan!


After successfully scaring Britons into staying indoors during the lockdown, Boris Johnson’s government is set to launch a more sophisticated messaging strategy for the next stage of its fight against coronavirus.

The bluntness of Downing Street’s key slogan to date reflects the strictness of the shutdown: “Stay at home, save lives, protect the NHS”. But the next phase is more complex and requires a more nuanced message that may emphasise getting the country working again.

“We were telling everyone we’re all in this together and everyone was really being asked to do the same thing,” said one government official. “Now we’re going to be saying different things, to different people, at different times.”

Gradually easing the lockdown also requires a communications strategy that can convince Britons it is safe to leave their homes, given the high level of compliance.

The shutdown was deemed too successful by some in government, forcing health secretary Matt Hancock to urge people to attend hospital if they suspected they were seriously ill.

“Our comms have been the best in Europe. We scared everyone ****less, but now we have to undo some of that,” one Conservative MP said.

Another government official told the Financial Times: “Both in the message and the execution, we need to communicate progress so people feel their efforts in the lockdown have delivered results and they can be confident about slowly beginning to return to their normal lives.”

The strategy is being overseen by Isaac Levido, the Australian political strategist behind Mr Johnson’s general election victory, who was credited with the “Get Brexit Done” slogan.

Employers are worried that people will not listen to new guidance on returning to work. “If workforces don't feel safe then we are going to have a really big problem,” a senior business figure said.

The new messaging is expected to reflect Downing Street’s priorities about getting the economy moving again. Those involved with drawing up the plans for the next phase participated in a call on Friday with businesses where slogans were discussed about putting Britain “back to work”.

Such fears are well founded. According to polling by Ipsos Mori, Britons are some of the least likely to believe that their country should be opened up — behind the US, France, Germany, Australia, Italy and Japan.

There are also high levels of concern among Britons about returning to normal activities. A net -40 per cent in the Ipsos Mori poll were concerned about using public transport and -32 per cent were ready to return to restaurants and pubs.

David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at the University of Cambridge, told the BBC that the fear among British citizens was “very worrying” and people were “definitely over-anxious” about coronavirus.

“We do need to have some sort of campaign to encourage people who are very low risk to actually get out and start living again when we're able to,” he said.

An example of what the new communications strategy looks like came in Thursday’s press conference. Mr Johnson devoted much of the briefing to discussing the ‘R’ rate: how fast coronavirus spreads and the importance of keeping this rate low. The National Health Service also produced a short explainer video on the R rate.

As in the lockdown, Number 10 insiders insist that the easing process will be guided by scientific advice. But an ally of Mr Johnson said that the science would play a more prominent role in the future. “The video about R shows the direction of travel,” the individual said.

Some Conservative MPs are concerned that basing a communications campaign on the R metric could be risky, especially if the data is incomplete or pushes the government into another shutdown.

“The fetishisation of the ‘R’ rate is a dangerous thing. The data is very ropey,” one senior MP said. “The infection rate is inevitably going to grow when the economy opens up. If we are telling people that it has to stay way below 1 until there is a vaccine, it risks backfiring and we could force ourselves into another lockdown.”

A Whitehall official said that the exact message for the next phase would not be finalised until early next week. “You can’t craft a message before you’ve got the direction and policy. Whatever comes next will be based on the best policy evidence we have at that date.”
 

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Given the amount of traffic on the roads of Hertfordshire today, it seems the lockdown is over!

(I was on my bike, daily exercise).
 
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