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Another good tip is to get the "A" to High St (Brooklyn) and take the pedestrian walkway over the bridge to Manhattan - lots of subway action grinding past you as there are tracks on both sides of the bridge , and always busy and there was a police post halfway across.
 
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I was a bit sloppy in my previous posting - sorry. The 3 train from New Lots Ave. to Manhattan (after transferring from the B15 bus from the Airtrain Lefferts Blvd. station) will get you to within walking distance of the Staten Island ferry, but more convenient is to transfer to the 4 train at Utica Ave. and take it to the first stop in Manhattan, Bowling Green, which is just across the park from the ferry terminal. The 4 is also express in Brooklyn.
Some buses have a lit screen with details of the next few stops and transfers - usually correct information - but the older ones don't. The driver will usually call out a stop if asked to do so.
 

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The MTA website has all the maps, fares, & timetables for all the New York boroughs & the transport maps are pretty good, JFK is in Queens for the bus map.

 

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One of the things that I find odd about the NYC subway and buses but pretty much all public transport in North America is how basic and old fashioned the design is - often it feels like you've stepped back into the 1950's, especially systems like the LIRR and NJT, but also the subway, no frills or adornment, just a basic metal box with some plastic seats!
 

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One of the things that I find odd about the NYC subway and buses but pretty much all public transport in North America is how basic and old fashioned the design is - often it feels like you've stepped back into the 1950's, especially systems like the LIRR and NJT, but also the subway, no frills or adornment, just a basic metal box with some plastic seats!

To be fair, thats much like metro systems everywhere except here. ‘Spartan’ is the word!
 

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One of the things that I find odd about the NYC subway and buses but pretty much all public transport in North America is how basic and old fashioned the design is - often it feels like you've stepped back into the 1950's, especially systems like the LIRR and NJT, but also the subway, no frills or adornment, just a basic metal box with some plastic seats!
Maybe the more basic facilities is the trade-off for the superior traction, particularly on the likes of NJT and Metro North!
 

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Do NY buses still have high floors and several steps to get on and off. Low floor buses didn't seem to exist when I went but that was 20 years ago
 

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All the local buses I've seen in the past few years in New York have low floors and entrances with ramps, but I've traveled only in Manhattan. There probably are still some older high-floor buses in outlying areas, but they all have lifts, and the (higher-fare) limited buses with an "X" in the line designation are of a higher construction and appear to have lifts for access to the seating level.
 

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+1 for Coney Island.

Take the B to Brighton Beach (it’s express some of the way, but only runs weekdays) wander down to the beach / shore, and then west along the Boardwalk towards Stillwell Av station. There’s a Nathan‘s on the Boardwalk and another by the station itself, however next door to the one on the Boardwalk is Ruby’s, which is the oldest bar/grill on the Boardwalk. Expect to pay about $7-10 for a beer, plus tip of course.

Then get the N back from Stilwell Av, as it goes right through the middle of the Coney Island Yards - MTAs largest depot / maintenance facility for the Subway. Swap to the R at 36th St (Brooklyn) if you want to get back to the Staten Island Ferry terminal.

Another for Coney Island, it’s a great run over to it and the station itself is pretty good
 

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If you are in lower Manhattan with 90 mins or so to spare, and want to see the Big Apple from an altogether different perspective, head to the Oculus for a PATH train from WTC to Newark. $2.75 each way gets you across the Hudson River into New Jersey and through the post-industrial riverlands to Newark Penn station. You can either take the NJ Transit service back to New York Penn or, as I did, jump back on the PATH for the return trip. And the station at WTC is out of this world.

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If you are in lower Manhattan with 90 mins or so to spare, and want to see the Big Apple from an altogether different perspective, head to the Oculus for a PATH train from WTC to Newark. $2.75 each way gets you across the Hudson River into New Jersey and through the post-industrial riverlands to Newark Penn station. You can either take the NJ Transit service back to New York Penn or, as I did, jump back on the PATH for the return trip. And the station at WTC is out of this world.
Getting PATH back to New York is going to be more reliable than NJT into Penn - that service disintegrates on a regular basis. I can't remember having visited and it not having completely fallen apart at some point.

A couple of other recommendations: the view from Hoboken across the river looking over at NY is worth seeing.

If you have more time, then a trip up Metro North's Hudson Line is fabulous. Sit on the left of the train leaving Grand Central (which itself is a tourist trap with some platforms in the basement. Ugh) for views across the Hudson River. Stopping off at Tarrytown and Peekskill is also highly recommended - the old station buildings have been converted into excellent coffee shops. Trains that go to Poughkeepsie have the bonus of being locomotive hauled, using (for now) the excellent GE-built P32AC-DM electro-diesels.
 

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If you are in lower Manhattan with 90 mins or so to spare, and want to see the Big Apple from an altogether different perspective, head to the Oculus for a PATH train from WTC to Newark. $2.75 each way gets you across the Hudson River into New Jersey and through the post-industrial riverlands to Newark Penn station. You can either take the NJ Transit service back to New York Penn or, as I did, jump back on the PATH for the return trip. And the station at WTC is out of this world.

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Beware that the PATH is in the middle of a modernisaton programme, and has reduced services and routes some weekends. It’s OK in the week though. PATH has also recently enabled contactless payment at the turnstiles. The branch that heads uptown under 6th street reminds me of the drain!


Getting PATH back to New York is going to be more reliable than NJT into Penn - that service disintegrates on a regular basis. I can't remember having visited and it not having completely fallen apart at some point.

A couple of other recommendations: the view from Hoboken across the river looking over at NY is worth seeing.

+1 for Hoboken, the station building is terrific, and not much changed from how it was a century ago I reckon.

I’ll disagree, though, about NJT to/from Penn, I’ve made multiple journeys that way and never had a problem.

If changing at Seacaucus Jn, beware that it takes longer than you think it will ! Fairly straight forward but for many changes you have to go up to the concourse at the top level before dropping back down.


 
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If changing at Seacaucus Jn, beware that it takes longer than you think it will ! Fairly straight forward but for many changes you have to go up to the concourse at the top level before droppign back down.
Once you get used to it it's not too bad. There are ticket gates for the North east Corridor lines, though. And it has some of the most bizarre platform identification I've ever seen: the Hoboken lines are E, F, G, H. So the four North East Corridor platforms are A, B, C, D? Wrong! They are A, B, 2 and 3.
 

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If you have more time, then a trip up Metro North's Hudson Line is fabulous. Sit on the left of the train leaving Grand Central (which itself is a tourist trap with some platforms in the basement. Ugh) for views across the Hudson River. Stopping off at Tarrytown and Peekskill is also highly recommended - the old station buildings have been converted into excellent coffee shops. Trains that go to Poughkeepsie have the bonus of being locomotive hauled, using (for now) the excellent GE-built P32AC-DM electro-diesels.
Top of my list to do the next time we go to NYC. We were there for my wife's 50th last month and caught the train from GCT to Chappaqua on the Harlem line to visit her cousin. The journey was not as picturesque as the Hudson line but really interesting nevertheless.

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Top of my list to do the next time we go to NYC. We were there for my wife's 50th last month and caught the train from GCT to Chappaqua on the Harlem line to visit her cousin. The journey was not as picturesque as the Hudson line but really interesting nevertheless.

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At little teaser for you below. The view from just outside Peekskill station with an Amtrak service passing.
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Getting PATH back to New York is going to be more reliable than NJT into Penn - that service disintegrates on a regular basis. I can't remember having visited and it not having completely fallen apart at some point.
PATH is massively underrated as a route in and out of Manhattan towards EWR, and there are great accommodation options adjacent to stations nearer the Hudson if staying centrally isn’t something you’re too fussed about. Journal Square, Exchange Place and Hoboken are all great, the latter having some decent views into NYC as well as good bars and restaurants on the waterside.
Trains that go to Poughkeepsie have the bonus of being locomotive hauled, using (for now) the excellent GE-built P32AC-DM electro-diesels.
Yep, did that last year during some not-so-great weather. Strolled the Walkway across to Highland and completed the loop back to Poughkeepsie via the Mid-Hudson Bridge. Despite the rain it was well worth doing.
 

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If you have more time, then a trip up Metro North's Hudson Line is fabulous. Sit on the left of the train leaving Grand Central (which itself is a tourist trap with some platforms in the basement. Ugh) for views across the Hudson River. Stopping off at Tarrytown and Peekskill is also highly recommended - the old station buildings have been converted into excellent coffee shops. Trains that go to Poughkeepsie have the bonus of being locomotive hauled, using (for now) the excellent GE-built P32AC-DM electro-diesels.
I was in NYC this time last year and I visited Tarrytown which is a very pretty small town and I had a very tasty empanada at the station coffee shop. Attached is a photo of the haulage I had.
 

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Maybe don't rule out the car entirely? If you have a license obviously. My experience is historical, but I am quite sure the general rule still holds that America is far less anti-car and anti-motorist than Europe. For both cultural and geographic reasons. And I was certainly surprised to learn this is true even when comparing Manhattan to Westminster. In the early 2000s, purely because I already had a hire car for work, staying near JFK, I enjoyed a very pleasant Sunday because of it.

It was the equivalent of driving from Croydon to Soho in half an hour, finding a free on street parking spot in minutes, and then having a full day as a tourist on foot of ferry, and back in time for tea. I did Times Square and the Empire State, and took the ferry to the statue and Ellis Island. It had all been on a whim, my choice to drive being half about the love of this huge American car, and half a trepidation about grappling with an unfamiliar system. Had I needed to, as a regular bus/Tube user in London, I was fine with perhaps having to park well short of Manhattan and continue by public transport. I just didn't need to.
Parking rules/charges and traffic levels on a Sunday and weekday are rather different just as in London.
 

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Enjoy your trip and please write up your findings.

Sure. Now I'm back in the UK I can do that.

Was only in NY for a couple of days before heading on to Orlando then CA.

Things were a bit mixed but have to admit I wasn't massively impressed by the subway.

On arriving, as planned I got the Q10 bus to 121st St, then J metro to Broad Street for the Staten Island ferry. The bus was fine, although slow (I made the mistake of getting the slow one instead of waiting for the express). The driver was extremely helpful, and called out the stop for me. Ditto the bus driver on the S46 once I got to Staten Island.

The Subway was certainly very no-frills in the design. I was not impressed by the uncomfortable plastic longitudinal benches on the trains. In fact, returning to the airport I happened to get on a very old train. That train had wooden seats (including a few transverse ones) and they turned out to be massively more comfortable than the modern plastic versions on the modern trains (Although I'd still have preferred UK-style soft fabric covers). So it seems that just like in the UK, the train designers in America have managed to make seats LESS comfortable over time, even when in the US the base line is a no-frills wooden seat!

I was also amused by the large numbers of stairs you frequently had use at stations. Getting up to the platforms at 121st St with a suitcase was certainly an experience!

One thing that really struck me as awful was the lack of information in stations. In particular, unlike London, there seem to be no network maps available. The day after I arrived, I entered the subway at Wall Street intending to travel to meet someone near Central Park. The route I was intended to take had severe disruption which meant I needed to change my plans, so I REALLY needed to be able to look at a map to figure out an alternative route, and the fact there simply were no maps to look at in stations helped to totally screw up my journey. I appreciate the network is probably trying to run while under-funded, but putting up direction signs and maps in stations seems a very cheap and obvious way to make the trains easier to use. I also noticed a similar issue when returning to the airport: Because of engineering works that weekend, some stations on (if I recall correctly) the R line were only being served in one direction. I'd found that out online, but when I got to the station, it turned out no-one had bothered to put any signs on the platforms advertising the fact! So there were people heading to the wrong-direction platform and then wondering why there were no trains! To my mind, that just seems utterly incompetent by the people who run the Subway.

I noticed the same lack of info at the St George bus station on Staten Island too. I arrived knowing that I could use either the S40 or the S46 to get to my destination. Turned out that those buses left from different stands, it was not easy to walk between the stands or to see from one stand if a bus was approaching the other stand, and there was NO timetable or departure information on the stands. That meant I basically had to randomly use one and take a chance on whether that was the stand that a bus would arrive at first.

Back to the Subway, I also had the impression of a very illogical layout in terms of how all the lines interconnected. This is very subjective and a bit hard to pin down exactly why, but whenever I was looking at the network map on my phone/computer and trying to work out routes to get anywhere, it seemed that there is a dense network of lines in Manhatten, but that somehow the various lines completely fail to interchange in a way that makes it easy to get from any point to any other point. Unlike London where, at least in the centre, you can basically get from anywhere to anywhere else typically with only one, or maybe 2, changes. Maybe to some extent that's because I lack the local knowledge I'd have in London, but route planning certainly felt a lot like I was fighting against no suitable connections.

On the upside the Staten Island Ferry is amazing! (And free!)
 
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What are people's experiences of travelling on (and paying for) public transport in New York? I'm asking because I'll be there for the first time in a few days - in particular travelling from JFK airport to Staten Island. Particular questions are:
  1. From the metro map, it looks like the best route is: Airtrain to Jamaica, then Subway J/Z to Broad Street, then ferry to St George, then bus from there to the place I'm staying. Can anyone with experience of the system confirm that's a sensible route (with a suitcase).
  2. The MTA website (https://new.mta.info/fares) seems to indicate you can pay for all journeys with a debit card. Is this correct and are UK debit cards likely to work for this without problems.
  3. Are the buses and trains generally reliable?
  4. Anything else I need to be aware of that would come as a surprise to someone mostly familiar with UK buses and trains?
Not sure how transferable it is but I've experience from Chicago on US underground and metro systems and payment was a big issue. The card readers at gates didn't work, almost all ticket machines didn't work and staff were rude, dismissive and disinclined to find a solution even if running tight for a plane due to their issues. It's their infrastructure that's failing, yet they say call your bank! I'd say prepare for a similar experience
 

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Back to the Subway, I also had the impression of a very illogical layout in terms of how all the lines interconnected. This is very subjective and a bit hard to pin down exactly why, but whenever I was looking at the network map on my phone/computer and trying to work out routes to get anywhere, it seemed that there is a dense network of lines in Manhatten, but that somehow the various lines completely fail to interchange in a way that makes it easy to get from any point to any other point. Unlike London where, at least in the centre, you can basically get from anywhere to anywhere else typically with only one, or maybe 2, changes. Maybe to some extent that's because I lack the local knowledge I'd have in London, but route planning certainly felt a lot like I was fighting against no suitable connections.
That's the legacy of most of the system having been built by three separate companies. They have done some big projects to combine them over the years, but it's quite an illogical system with duplicated lines in some places and nothing at all elsewhere. Not entirely unlike the South London rail network
 

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That's the legacy of most of the system having been built by three separate companies. They have done some big projects to combine them over the years, but it's quite an illogical system with duplicated lines in some places and nothing at all elsewhere. Not entirely unlike the South London rail network

It is complicated certainly - but subway expansion was halted by WW2 , and poor funding from the 1950's where investment money was spent on keeping the network going rather than improvements (with a few exceptions) , the 1970's saw serious decline in patronage along with endemic vandalism and crime which reduced revenue even more , at a time when the city was very nearly bankrupt......

Had the 1930's plans been implemented , coverage of the greater city would have been better than what is presently there.....
 

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Not sure how transferable it is but I've experience from Chicago on US underground and metro systems and payment was a big issue. The card readers at gates didn't work, almost all ticket machines didn't work and staff were rude, dismissive and disinclined to find a solution even if running tight for a plane due to their issues. It's their infrastructure that's failing, yet they say call your bank! I'd say prepare for a similar experience

Payment was one area where New York transit really does seem OK. There were card readers at all stations and on all buses that could read my UK contactless debit cards just fine. Pretty much the same standard as contactless in London, except that the New York readers have very good displays and gave much clearer visual indications of whether your card had been read. Exiting the system is a bit more questionable: High and narrow turnstiles that are extremely hard to navigate with a suitcase.

I did have more issues with payment in other places. In Orlando, the Lynx buses accept only cash or payment via the Lynx app, and in the San Francisco Bay area, payment on most buses/trains is only accepted by buying a Clipper Card (comparable to an Oyster card) or by downloading the Clipper app. That's not as good as just accepting debit/credit card payment, but would have been OK as a solution except for one piece of utter stupidity: The apps are region-specific, and therefore were impossible to download onto my UK phone: I'd simply be blocked by, 'The app is not available in your region'. What a great way to make public transport inaccessible to foreign visitors, eh! My friend, travelling with me and with a US-networked phone, had no issues with that. Luckily, on a couple of occasions, considerate bus drivers, realising the problem, just let me on anyway. (I would say I didn't encounter any issues with dismissive staff that you say you experienced in Chicago. In my experience, all the staff I interacted with were very helpful).
 

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