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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by reddragon, 16 Apr 2019.
People were talking about the actress Emma Thompson weren’t they?
I certainly was earlier in the thread.
I have seen it on and my point still stands. Would the interview be as eloquent as those they are interviewing who are operating ion their second language
I never said anything about you and ableism in my post. It was a general reference to some of the underlying attitudes across the forum. If you felt it was directed at you, I do apologise. That was not my intention
What does she do that you actually object to?
Maybe - my error if so. She couldn't very well use anything other than a plane if coming from the USA.
She could have stayed there, maybe done a video link. It's fine anyway, she plants lots of trees.
She may well have combined the trip with work meetings or family visits, so might not have been an extra flight just to attend the protest
The problem with criticising Emma Thompson is that it's impossible to go about our every day lives without causing more environmental impact than we would like (or at least, than those of us who are environmentally aware would like ). For each of us there's a balance between protecting the planet and going about our normal lives. That situation can only be improved by better Government action on climate change. Personally, I'm very, very concerned about climate change and fossil fuel emissions. But that doesn't mean I never fly... Sometimes flying is the only way that I can visit friends or attend business meetings etc. What it means is that, each time I'm thinking of flying, I ask myself whether this is a flight I really need to make or whether there's a better option.
In the case of Emma Thompson, I would imagine that, if she thought it through rationally, the calculation would be that she is adding one more person to a flight, but the result will be increased publicity and encouragement to demonstrators - and that might make it slightly more likely that Governments will take action that might potentially result in CO2 emissions from the UK being reduced every year by millions of times more than the extra CO2 caused by her flying to the UK. In that situation, flying to the demonstration might well be a sensible thing to do.
Realistically, we have to accept that even the most eco-minded of us does many things that damage the environment. That's not hypocritical.... it's just an inevitable part of our society as it is currently set up. I don't see any issues with accepting that, and at the same time doing whatever you can to pursuade the Government to improve things. I would say that Emma Thompson's actions need to be seen in that light.
they are workshy, soap dodging, privileged, hypocritical,smug, self righteous, students/hippy, virtue flaunters and should be dealt with not with the kid gloves of middle class protesters but with the police horses, baton charges, riot police, shield wall and police brutality of working class protesters.
I saw one of them being carted away by 4 of the old bill holding a smart phone in one hand and a single use plastic bottle of Buxton water in the other. Way to go on saving the environment......................
I worry about the issue but by closing down roads in London, blocking bus routes and disrupting public transport you force more people to use cars thus polluting even more. That doesn't seem very sensible to me!
I wonder if the smart phone wielding hippy has given one moment of thought to the ecological damage inflicted by mining for the rare minerals that a smart phone lives on. ( or the electricity to charge the phone up or the shipping of said phone around the world!) It drives me mad. This is important and some silly students and hippys are ruining an opportunity to change peoples views and drive change in how society consumes resources.
It absolutely IS hypocritical but we overlook that because the ends justify the means. My use of smart phone is fine because I am using to to do good. Your use of a smart phone is BAD because you are using it to play candy crush and take vacuous selfies!
I try to do what I can to limit my consumption of resources and impact of that consumption but I am a hypocrite because instead of a single use coffee cup I have an aluminium flask thingy. We overlook the damage caused in extracting the ore, smelting it, forging the cup, decorating it, packaging it and shipping it to my house from somewhere far away because it is good not to use a single use cup!
I can't work out if this is a parody or not.
it isnt - the whole ecological movement is hypocritical. We all are. We recycle but drive a diesel. We worry about plastic in the oceans but waste food on a mammoth scale. We complain the rain forests are cut down to provide grazing lad for beef yet want leather shoes. We worry the methane from all that beef might damage the ozone layer but we like steaks. We worry about single use coffee cups yet will happily drink out of an aluminium flask/cup. We worry about jet fumes polluting the atmosphere but really want a cheap holiday in the sun. We worry about food miles but want exotic fruit. We worry about pollution but simply must have that DVD by same day delivery in a big box. We worry baout the use of water to make cotton products but I absolutely must have that shirt for my night out.
I bet few if any of us are neutral in our use of resources yet pretend we aren't the problem.We are. We need to change that but upsetting loads of people and making there lives harder wont do that. It will simply make people annoyed and dismissive of your message.
AND I don't like students.
OK, I get the part about hypocrisy. Most of your examples don't apply to me, but some do.
I'm assuming you don't deny the existance of climate change and the role of humans in at least accellerating it. If these protests are not the way to go about getting the political establishment to listen, what is the method that should be used?
FAR from it. We are responsible. We need to fix it. Fast.
Disrupt the politicians, retailers and producers not the public. I would also ask them to target the MOST polluting countries ASAP. Start with the USA, Russia and China.
I would also be trying to campaign and educate on things that the average person can deal with. What can I do as an individual to make small changes to help? Also be realistic: Cars are not going away. Planes are not going away. We aren't going back to a 17th century existence so lets not pretend that they are.
Speaking of the 17th Century, maybe they should all protest around 5th November since that night (and nights either side of it) are I expect high polluting nights. I'd like to see what happens if people can't have their bonfire because Extinction Rebellion campaigners are sitting on them
How does one disrupt retailers, politicans and producers without disrupting the public?
That's an easy get out, to be honest, and a way of being able to carry on as before without guilt. There's a lot that people can do that does not require the government to do anything. A large amount of things we do in the developed world are because we WANT to do things, not because we HAVE to do things. For example, we don't have to fly to meetings. Many of us don't even require international travel in our jobs. You may CHOOSE to have a job that requires international travel, but that is a want, not a need.
use the same tactics but on a smaller scale and in more places. Don't block Westminster Bridge. Block Acacia Avenue where the environment secretary lives. That will cause some disruption but not massive problems. Block the distribution centres, air freight hubs and factories. It isnt difficult. Just look at historic secondary picket action for inspiration.
Also take some healthy eco friendly snacks to give to the police along with some plant based coffee cups for the media - always good for the PR
Have you read Gretas speech to Parliament?
This girl has used the freedoms available in Western Europe to espouse her views, but I much prefer Malala Yousafzai who advocated human rights in an atmosphere of very conservative Islam and was shot in the head at the age of just 14 by a Taliban gunman. In 2014 at the age of 17, she was a co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.
OK. Great. that doesn't really answer the question asked................................
The first sentence of my posting shows that the girl in question is not fighting against the same opposition faced by Malala Yousafzai, but seems to have freedoms to travel to other countries without the same strictures.
I can read The question was not who do you prefer and why but what part of the message don't you like.
So that makes what she says less accurate? If we get someone to shoot at her, will that make her message more accurate?
I was wondering who it would be who made the point you made. The European girl is not under the same danger of death in "liberal-minded" Western Europe, unless Islamic extremists see her as a target worth attacking in the same way that Islamic State saw the Sri Lankan home-based Catholics and European tourists in luxury hotels in Sri Lanka as worthwhile targets.
You were the one who brought up Malala who has no relevance at all to the topic. You appeared to be inferring that because she is less at risk and has freedom to express her views then she's less worthy of notice. Of course, Islamic extremists have never killed anyone in the capital cities of "liberal-minded" Western Europe
I think the Extinction Rebellion protests have now actually achieved exactly what they aimed to do; put climate change irreversibly on the political agenda. Along with the BBC's coverage and David Attenborough's latest factual-science masterpiece, it's an impressive combined effort.
My hope is that Corbyn and Labour now see the millions of young votes they will gain with a combined climate action / People's Vote manifesto and will actually commit to a strategy along both fronts. There's potentially three massive birds to down with a single stone (excuse the environmentally unfriendly pun) if you also want to see the Tory party dumped out of government.
I will NEVER vote for Corbyn , which as I’ve said previously is a shame for Labour as I would of voted for them in the last election if they did not have that Buffoon in charge
This picture captures exactly what Labour need to win, leading gullible Students , like the pied piper leading the rats to their doom.
And then do what Labour are good at and will form a committee to "look into it", only for that committee to be never heard from again.
Indeed, what a strange point to make!