FANTASY: redesign your own TOC's timetable

[Envy123]

Ah, I didn't check for Newbury. Just Swindon, Oxford and Taunton.

Although as the fastest London train's ~65 minutes from Huntingdon compared to 24 Maidenhead they're not really comparable to begin with.

I compared them as they're both outer suburban stations and they're close to an intercity station with many more services (Reading and Peterborough). Though, maybe the Trent Valley stations would be a better comparison.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

That's very complicated. I think basic half-hourly patterns are better, that's why I proposed 06 and 36 expresses (Woking, Guildford, Haslemere, Petersfield, Havant, Fratton, Portsmouth and Southsea, Portsmouth Harbour), 21 and 51 stoppers (if Liphook and Liss are to have 2 tph they'd be all after Woking but Worplesdon and Rowlands Castle in one and Milford and Witley in the other). But I don't know if the slows would keep above the following fast. And shuttles from Woking/Guildford to Godalming behind the fasts.

With regard to fast calling patterns the latest ORR figures show some interesting statistics for the entries/exits at stations between Guildford and Haslemere which firms up the view in a post Covid world the numbers have changed.

Godalming is the busiest ranked as 364th in the country, Haslemere closely behind at 366th and Petersfield further down at 437th.

Godalming 1,216,740 annual
Haslemere 1,212,168 annual
Petersfield 1,037,738 annual

 

[HS2isgood]

With regard to fast calling patterns the latest ORR figures show some interesting statistics for the entries/exits at stations between Guildford and Haslemere which firms up the view in a post Covid world the numbers have changed.

Godalming is the busiest ranked as 364th in the country, Haslemere closely behind at 366th and Petersfield further down at 437th.

Godalming 1,216,740 annual
Haslemere 1,212,168 annual
Petersfield 1,037,738 annual

Do you have the numbers for all stations between Woking and Portsmouth Harbour? I'd have to rethink it, some of my assumptions were wrong.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Do you have the numbers for all stations between Woking and Portsmouth Harbour? I'd have to rethink it, some of my assumptions were wrong.

It’s on the ORR website.

Estimates of station usage | ORR Data Portal

Table 1410

 

[The Planner]

End to end it would probably be 30-40 minutes slower than the current change at Birmingham.

I'd imagine that after Milverton to Kenilworth Jcn is redoubled:

> 1tph Bristol TM - Newcastle via Coventry and Leamington*
> 1tph Bournemouth - Manchester Picadilly via Coventry and Leamington*
> 1tph Bournemouth - Manchester Picadilly via Leamington only

*possibly one service stop at Kenilworth???

May be possible, obviously depending on the rest of the network.




I'd like a Leamington Spa - Coventry - Birmingham New St (or Walsall) service though no chance it would fit in with the service above.

No XC will go via Solihull if/when Milverton to Kenilworth is doubled.

 

[Energy]

No XC will go via Solihull if/when Milverton to Kenilworth is doubled.

Is that including the 5tpd Reading to Newcastle?

 

[The Planner]

Is that including the 5tpd Reading to Plymouth?

Do you mean Newcastle? If so, yes, XC and various lobbyists want a direct airport to the NE link.

 

[Energy]

Do you mean Newcastle? If so, yes, XC and various lobbyists want a direct airport to the NE link.

Oops yep fixed. It would be interesting how much of the traffic is end to end to Reading and how many at Reading are changing trains. Birmingham Intl, Coventry, Leamington Spa, and Banbury have good links to the south coast (especially when it eventually goes 2tph) but changing the service to Newcastle - Bristol instead of Reading would improve southwest connectivity. Of course, you could do it with a reversal at Reading but it would take longer.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Oops yep fixed. It would be interesting how much of the traffic is end to end to Reading and how many at Reading are changing trains. Birmingham Intl, Coventry, Leamington Spa, and Banbury have good links to the south coast (especially when it eventually goes 2tph) but changing the service to Newcastle - Bristol instead of Reading would improve southwest connectivity. Of course, you could do it with a reversal at Reading but it would take longer.

There is already an hourly service from Newcastle to Bristol.

 

[Topological]

Since this is complete fantasy...

1 train per hour between Swansea and Manchester.

Probably more realistic:

Extend the Cardiff to the South West trains to start at Swansea (using IET from Malliphant)
Run the second hourly Cardiff to Paddington with 387 (or alternative) to use the wires. (The additional Swansea starters to London would be going to the South West anyway, so just needs small tweaking to get the connections at Cardiff. Likewise, the units coming in to terminate at Cardiff continue to Swansea replacing the additional London trains which continue past Cardiff at the moment)

If infrastructure changes are allowed:

Scissors half way along platforms 2 and 3 at Cardiff to allow more flexibility on terminating/departing trains so the reversal ECS do not block the station up.

 

[Energy]

There is already an hourly service from Newcastle to Bristol.

Indeed, the Plymouth to Edinburgh.

The Newcastle to Bristol TM service I suggested is partly additional NE-SW capacity but also connecting Birmingham Intl, Coventry, Leamington, Banbury and Oxford with Bristol.