There are no through trains.What are the permitted routes of a Faygate to Brookwood 'not via London' Anytime Day Return ticket?
There are no through trains.
Routeing Points (RPs) for Faygate are Horsham and Three Bridges.
RPs for Brookwood are Ash Vale, Farnborough Group and Woking.
Comparing Anytime Day Single (SDS) fares route Not Via London:
Faygate - Brookwood SDS £13.50
Faygate - Ash Vale SDS £13.50. So Ash Vale is an appropriate RP.
Faygate - Farnborough Group (all members) SDS £16.60. So Farnborough Group is not an appropriate RP.
Faygate - Woking SDS £14.80. So Woking is not an appropriate RP.
Horsham - Brookwood SDS £13.50. So Horsham is an appropriate RP.
Three Bridges - Brookwood SDS £17.60. So Three Bridges is not an appropriate RP.
Ash Vale - Horsham map combinations are:
All routes using LONDON, SC+CS+WW or SC+WW pass through Woking, which has failed the fares check. These routes are discarded.
All routes using LB+SD+WW or LB+WW pass through Three Bridges, which has failed the fares check. These routes are discarded.
Therefore there are no mapped routes for a Faygate - Brookwood route Not Via London journey.
So Permitted Routes Faygate - Brookwood route Not Via London are:
- the shortest route by rail (Faygate, Horsham, Dorking, Leatherhead, Effingham Junction, Guildford, Woking, Brookwood) and
- any route not more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route (this will include Faygate, Horsham, Dorking, [walk] Dorking Deepdene, Gomshall, Guildford, Woking, Brookwood).
Good. We are agreed that the shortest Faygate - Brookwood route by rail is Faygate, Horsham, Dorking, Leatherhead, Effingham Junction, Guildford, Woking, Brookwood.Dorking-Leatherhead-Guildford is 16.5 miles and Dorking Deepdene to Guildford is 13.25 miles so the former is 3.25 miles longer and so fails the plus 3 rule. I agree its technically the shortest route by RAIL
Agreed, but that does not affect the calculation of the shortest Faygate - Brookwood route by rail.I would argue Dorking-Dorking Deepdene is a rail interchange
We know from correspondence with ATOC thatMost customers wish to make journeys by through trains or by the shortest route. In both cases they will be travelling on a permitted route, provided the correct fare has been paid to reflect any routeing indicated by the fares manual. You only need refer to the Routeing Guide when a customer is not using an advertised through train or the shortest route. ... The shortest route is calculated by reference to the National Rail Timetable.
If a journey does not have an origin routeing point and a destination routeing point, its permitted route is
Journeys on direct trains or taking the route of shortest distance or a distance longer by no more than 3 miles are always following a permitted route.
- the shortest route served by a regular passenger service, or
- a route no more then 3 miles longer or
- any other route permitted by an easement.
We do not know of any rule which requires a walk between stations where this is not required by a route shown on the ticket. If you know of such a rule, please tell us where to find it. If there is no such rule, then the shortest Faygate - Brookwood route defined by the National Routeing Guide is Faygate, Horsham, Dorking, Leatherhead, Effingham Junction, Guildford, Woking, Brookwood.Some journeys must involve a walk between stations; for example, the fare from Watford Junction to Harpenden is routed "St Albans Abbey" - this must involve a walk between St Albans Abbey and St Albans. As regards permitted routes in the Routeing Guide, there is nothing to prevent a customer using a route that involves a walk between stations (one is not breaking the "no doubling back" rule by doing this).