Feltham - London1256 Travel Card

[hawaii2468]

Does bus 117 accept this travel card? I just found something interesting.
If I buy a London1256 railcard from Staines on weekends + network railcard, the fare would be 8 pounds. However, from Feltham it is only 5.3 pounds. If the bus 117 accepts the London travel card, can I use the Feltham bought travelcard to travel from Staines - Feltham for nothing, and take a train from Feltham - London and do the reverse when I return?

That means I would rather pay 5.30 Pounds instead of 8. Anyone who knows if this is possible?

 

[Deerfold]

Yes, bus 117 from Staines to West Middlesex Hospital accepts all London Travelcards. Note it only runs every 20 minutes on Saturdays and every 30 minutes on Sundays.

 

[hawaii2468]

but during weekdays it's only 8 pounds which is still much cheaper than the 15 pounds off peak or 12.10 pounds super off peak travel cards from Staines?

 

[Deerfold]

but during weekdays it's only 8 pounds which is still much cheaper than the 15 pounds off peak or 12.10 pounds super off peak travel cards from Staines?

A Zone 1-6 travel card valid on the 117 bus and the train from Feltham to Central London is £15 on Mon-Fri before 0930. After 0930 or any time at weekends it is £5.30 (All prices with Travelcard - http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx).

 

[Harlesden]

I feel a tinge of sadness anytime I see a modern day sardine can 117. I remember many happy journeys on the proud majestic RM's making their way from Woodthorpe Road (10 minutes from Staines) to Shepherd's Bush with pleasant courteous conductors.

 

[Oracle]

I lived in Feltham to '65 and recall the first time that Mum and I got on a Routemaster on the 117 from Minimax Corner to Feltham High Street..probably in 1962. Later, on Saturdays Turnham Green Garage (TG) I think it was supplemented the RMs out of Hounslow Garage (AV) and it looked so retrospect to see them against their erstwhile replacements. As you all know the 117 at one stage ran Egham Station to Shepherds Bush Green, and then the route swapped with the former RF route 237 (Chertsey Sation to Hounslow) with the 117 becoming the 237.

The 117 used to do 'shorts' to Brentford County Court in one direction and Hounslow Heath The Hussar in the other, stopping in the latter case on the 120 stand. Fat lot of use when you wanted to get from Hounslow to Feltham!

 

[bb21]

Does bus 117 accept this travel card? I just found something interesting.
If I buy a London1256 railcard from Staines on weekends + network railcard, the fare would be 8 pounds. However, from Feltham it is only 5.3 pounds. If the bus 117 accepts the London travel card, can I use the Feltham bought travelcard to travel from Staines - Feltham for nothing, and take a train from Feltham - London and do the reverse when I return?

That means I would rather pay 5.30 Pounds instead of 8. Anyone who knows if this is possible?

The travelcard from Feltham is just a normal Zone 1-6 travelcard as Feltham is inside the zonal boundary.

Staines is outside the zonal boundary and therefore has a premium attached for a return journey between Staines and Feltham.

Many bus routes that run beyond the Zone 6 boundary, such as the 405 to Redhill, the 84 to St Albans (valid to Potters Bar only) and the 81 to Slough accept travelcards. Such routes will accept travelcards of any zonal combination.

 

[Deerfold]

The travelcard from Feltham is just a normal Zone 1-6 travelcard as Feltham is inside the zonal boundary.

Staines is outside the zonal boundary and therefore has a premium attached for a return journey between Staines and Feltham.

Many bus routes that run beyond the Zone 6 boundary, such as the 405 to Redhill, the 84 to St Albans and the 81 to Slough accept travelcards. Such routes will accept travelcards of any zonal combination.

The 84 only accepts travelcards to a point in Potters Bar (EDIT: Potters Bar Cranborne Road) as it is not a TfL bus route.

 

[sjj2112]

A Zone 1-6 travel card valid on the 117 bus and the train from Feltham to Central London is £15 on Mon-Fri before 0930. After 0930 or any time at weekends it is £5.30 (All prices with Travelcard - http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx).

The OP stated that they were using a Network Card. According to the website http://www.railcard.co.uk/network/tickets-types-min-fares#Minimum_fares the off-peak period starts at 10:00 Monday to Friday with a minimum fare of £13:00, or a minimum of £15:00 for an Off-Peak Day Travelcard.

 

[Deerfold]

The OP stated that they were using a Network Card. According to the website http://www.railcard.co.uk/network/tickets-types-min-fares#Minimum_fares the off-peak period starts at 10:00 Monday to Friday with a minimum fare of £13:00, or a minimum of £15:00 for an Off-Peak Day Travelcard.

Minimum of £15 is for an Anytime Travelcard.

The TfL page is unclear - it suggests the off-peak discounts are available from 0930 but it may be that the OP will need the undiscounted off-peak Zone 1-6 Travelcard at £8 on Mondays-Fridays off-peak.

 

[bb21]

The 84 only accepts travelcards to a point in Potters Bar (EDIT: Potters Bar Cranborne Road) as it is not a TfL bus route.

Yes I should have made it clearer. (Edited.)

The 84 is run under London Local Service Agreement, rather than being a TfL route.

 

[Deerfold]

The 84 is run under London Local Service Agreement, rather than being a TfL route.

And is the last one left - until 06/01/2012 when it will presumably move to a London Service Permit.

 

[hawaii2468]

The travelcard from Feltham is just a normal Zone 1-6 travelcard as Feltham is inside the zonal boundary.

Staines is outside the zonal boundary and therefore has a premium attached for a return journey between Staines and Feltham.

Many bus routes that run beyond the Zone 6 boundary, such as the 405 to Redhill, the 84 to St Albans (valid to Potters Bar only) and the 81 to Slough accept travelcards. Such routes will accept travelcards of any zonal combination.

Does it mean that the London 1-6 travel card cannot be used if I travel on bus 117 from Staines ?

 

[LexyBoy]

Does it mean that the London 1-6 travel card cannot be used if I travel on bus 117 from Staines ?

No, the Zones do not apply to buses. A Travelcard for any combination of Zones is valid on any TfL bus.

 

[hawaii2468]

I am quite confused as someone said I must buy a ticket between Staines and Feltham.

 

[bb21]

I am quite confused as someone said I must buy a ticket between Staines and Feltham.

If you buy a Staines - London Zones 1-6 travelcard then it gives you one return journey on the railway between Staines and the edge of Zone 6, plus unlimited travel within the zones, which includes buses in various areas outside the zones such as the 117 to Staines.

If you buy a Feltham - London Zones 1-6 (inboundary) travelcard then you are not permitted to travel on the railway between Staines and the edge of Zone 6, which in this case is Feltham. If you wish to travel on the railway between Staines and Feltham then an additional ticket will be required. However the inboundary travelcard will allow you to use the 117 from/to Staines for free.

Hope this clarifies matters.

 

[hawaii2468]

If you buy a Staines - London Zones 1-6 travelcard then it gives you one return journey on the railway between Staines and the edge of Zone 6, plus unlimited travel within the zones, which includes buses in various areas outside the zones such as the 117 to Staines.

If you buy a Feltham - London Zones 1-6 (inboundary) travelcard then you are not permitted to travel on the railway between Staines and the edge of Zone 6, which in this case is Feltham. If you wish to travel on the railway between Staines and Feltham then an additional ticket will be required. However the inboundary travelcard will allow you to use the 117 from/to Staines for free.

Hope this clarifies matters.

That's what I wanted to mean that whether a London 1-6 travel card is valid or not on the bus 117 between Staines and Feltham because Staines is outside Zone 6.

 

[Urban Gateline]

That's what I wanted to mean that whether a London 1-6 travel card is valid or not on the bus 117 between Staines and Feltham because Staines is outside Zone 6.

Yep it definitely IS valid on that bus, as people said before, the Zones DON'T apply to busses, any zone travelcard is valid!

 

[RJ]

That's what I wanted to mean that whether a London 1-6 travel card is valid or not on the bus 117 between Staines and Feltham because Staines is outside Zone 6.

In response to your question;

The Feltham - London Zones 1-6 Travelcard is valid on the whole of route 117. Quite a few London bus routes run outside the Greater London boundary but Travelcards remain valid, so long as it's a TfL bus route.

 

[Bedpan]

I'm just wondering what the OP will do about the first part of his journey (Staines - Feltham). Can he buy a travelcard on the bus when he catches it from Staines, or would he have to go to Staines station, buy a travelcard from Feltham, and then go off to the bus stop to catch the bus?

 

[bb21]

It cannot be bought on the bus. The only fare on sale on the bus is the cash single fare. If a paper travelcard is desired then it must be bought from the railway station or one of the local ticket shops. Alternatively if you use PAYG Oyster, then the fare will be capped at the Zones 1-6 rate if you use the 117 to get into the zones.

 

[island]

If a paper travelcard is desired then it must be bought from the railway station

True. But not

one of the local ticket shops

which stopped selling paper travelcards at the start of 2011.

 

[hawaii2468]

Well, what I am going to do is : I will book the Feltham + London 1-6 travel card on internet and collect it at Stains rail station ticket vends, then use this exact travel card to ride the Bus 117 outside the station.

One thing I am not sure about using the Oyster card is, how do I enjoy the 1/3 off by my Network Railcard during weekends?
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I worry that the bus driver might refuse my travel card because it's only a Feltham + London 1-6 one but I start from Staines.

Is it true that this bus 117 even accepts London Zone 1 travel card?

 

[transportphoto]

Is it true that this bus 117 even accepts London Zone 1 travel card?

You can not get a zone one only travel card, you can however get a 1-2 travelcard.


Yes, the 117 should accept any travelcard that involves any combination of zones

 

[Mojo]

One thing I am not sure about using the Oyster card is, how do I enjoy the 1/3 off by my Network Railcard during weekends?

The Network Railcard does not offer discounts on Oyster fares. You are however entitled to a £5.30 paper Travelcard for zones 1-6 on weekends and public holidays only.

I worry that the bus driver might refuse my travel card because it's only a Feltham + London 1-6 one but I start from Staines.

Is it true that this bus 117 even accepts London Zone 1 travel card?

Why would he do that? TfL bus routes accept Travelcards irrespective of the zone.

 

[MikeWh]

Well, what I am going to do is : I will book the Feltham + London 1-6 travel card on internet and collect it at Stains rail station ticket vends, then use this exact travel card to ride the Bus 117 outside the station.

Yes that will work fine. You can pick up internet ordered tickets at any TVM.

I worry that the bus driver might refuse my travel card because it's only a Feltham + London 1-6 one but I start from Staines.

Is it true that this bus 117 even accepts London Zone 1 travel card?

You need to stop thinking about zones when refering to buses. Any TfL operated bus, even those that run outside the zonal area, accept any travelcard from a zone 1-2 off-peak one-day travelcard right up to an all zones annual travelcard season. It doesn't matter what it is, with the singular exception that you can't use an off-peak travelcard before 9.30am Monday to Friday.

The reason for this is that you only pay on entry on a bus, so the system has no way of knowing how far you will go. Therefore there are no zonal restrictions on buses.

 

[class377man]

Is it true that this bus 117 even accepts London Zone 1 travel card?

Yes. Likewise a Zone 6 only Travelcard (if such a thing even exists) would be valid on a 73 down Oxford Street.

 

[Lampshade]

290 to Twickenham and Travelcard from there? It'd work out the same anyway.

 

[MikeWh]

Quoted post changed while typing.

 

[hawaii2468]

290 to Twickenham and Travelcard from there? It'd work out the same anyway.

Yes.

It seems that there are quite a number of TfL buses in Staines whereas it isn't within any TfL zone. Has TfL ever considered to expand its zones to Stains like what it did to Watford?
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290 to Twickenham and Travelcard from there? It'd work out the same anyway.

London zone 1-5 and 1-6 are same price.