FGW HST to East Coast (short term)

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  1. Crossforth

    Crossforth Established Member

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    I've seen on a Yahoo group that an FGW HST is to go on loan to EC for a few day on Saturday 29th October. Does anyone know what diagrams this set will eventually be on?

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  3. Yew

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    Im guessing it will take the diagrams of the EMT hst that was on loan? Ill keep an eye out for it in lincoln in the evening
     
  4. Crossforth

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    I gather that this is additional to the EMT diagram although don't hold me to that.
     
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    Now I know it maybe abit to early BUT does anyone know or have an inkling what the set diagrams are for this and how long its on EC
     
  6. ajax103

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    From Sunday 30th October to Friday 4th November, East Coast will be operating the loaned First Great Western HST on the following diagrams:

    Sunday 30th October:

    1F21 - 11:19 Kings Cross to Newcastle
    1A46 - 18:15 Leeds to Kings Cross

    Monday 31st October to Friday 4th November:

    1N08 - 08:30 Kings Cross to Newcastle
    1Y32 - 12:25 Newcastle to Kings Cross
    1D32 - 16:33 Kings Cross to Leeds
    1A49 - 19:15 Leeds to Kings Cross

    The following was provided by East Coast as it was included in the notification that was emailed though about 3pm today.
     
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  7. jopsuk

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    Will they just send an 8-carriage set, or will they send something as close to EC formation as possible?
     
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    Its only for a week, so not worth reforming etc for short time id guess. From what i can gather they are not that simple to reform
     
  9. ainsworth74

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    Really? I was always under the impression that HSTs are fairly simple to reform it's just that no one bothers unless they have to do it.
     
  10. JamesHorrell

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    I Think This May Be Worth a Visit to Leeds on Sunday as it isn't a thing you see everyday.
     
  11. ajax103

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    Just to confirm this will be formed of 2 power cars plus 8 coaches (2 of which are 1st Class).

    This was the basic East Coast formation before extra HST trailer cars became available in 2009.
     
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    2002 onwards?
     
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    It's going to be 43041 + 43163 with rake LA16 apparently.
     
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    I'm not sure, I read on either this forum or another I use, that HSTs are quite complex to reform. Maybe someone will know more...
     
  15. Bodie

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    This is very cool news.

    Only wish I lived near the ECML :(

    I hope to see some photos in the coming months of a FGW HST in some unusual places :D
     
  16. animationmilo

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    This is urgent. I can stay in london to 1300 saturday. Does anyone know if it will through finsbury park and what time
     
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    Assuming that the diagrams posted by ajax are accurate it won't be in service yet on Saturday.
     
  18. Harlesden

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    So if I'm standing on Ally Pally platform 2 at 15:35 on Monday, I should be able to see the southbound from Newcastle whizz by.
     
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    Yeah approximately that, I wouldn't like to say yes at exactly 15:35 but around that time sure.
     
  20. animationmilo

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    I mean when are they taking it to kings x empty stock i mean
     
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    Just out of curiousity, who takes the set from the Western region round to the Eastern region? Im guessing the Western region guys won't know the road to Kings cross or Bounds green if thats where it goes and im guessing the East Coast men won't know the route either? so who would have traction and route knowledge to do the transfer?
     
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    Im guessing it could be one of 4 companies / situations, something on the lines of this: FGW or East Coast Driver, Hull Trains Pilot - Bounds Green to Old Oak Moves....Or Freightliner, GB or West Coast covering piloting duties.
     
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    I can confirm the HSTs are very simple to reform, I do it every day at part of my job. It's just 4 airpipes, 2 CDL cables, a 27 way jumper and an ETS cable (some have WIFI or passenger counter cables). Putting a coach into a set can be a 10 minute job provide the coach isn't a million miles away from the set you're putting it in!
     
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    The diagrams I posted are 100% accurate seeing as they were on the official East Coast memo that went out to Train Crew and Dispatch Staff regardless of TOC who deal with the East Coast HSTs, it arrived yesterday at work via email/fax and also had the number of differences between this First Great Western HST and the East Coast HSTs highlighted.

    Hope this clears up any doubt.
     
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    More inferior catering them? Or have EC inserted their own Buffet?
     
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    Do HT crews do OOC to Bounds Green? Seeing as they're in their depot regularly maybe some FGW crew still sign 180s and the route to Bounds Green plus HST?


     
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    There has been a suggestion that the HST will have to run via Reading, Oxford, Derby(!) and then MML to Loughborough and then Peterborough (info from 43123valenta and anon on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HSTgen/)
     
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    Why though? When the First Hull Trains Class 180s move between Old Oak Common and the ECML they don't waste time on such a un-needed diversionary route.

    Ferme Park - Upper Holloway - Gospel Oak - Kensal Rise - Willesden Jn High Level then Acton Mainline then whatever route they need to get in and out of Old Oak Common is pretty simple.
     
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    The set will be moved during the course of Sunday, using GB Railfreight resources and routed via Reading, Nuneaton, Leicester and Peterborough, arriving at Ferme Park around 1900.
     
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    is there any particular reason for this, other than sheer irrationality?
     
  31. ajax103

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    I reckon it makes for good advertising, having a First Great Western HST trample half way across the country just to get from one part of London to the other! :lol:

    That was me being sarcastic by the way!
     
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