First Bradford Strike

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  1. asharpe

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    Sorry if this should be in the main First thread.

    Tomorrow and Tuesday First Bradford drivers are expected to go on strike. Apparently because the 576 bus route has been given back to Halifax Depot.

    This is going to Cause chaos in Bradford, where there is not a lot of competition on most routes.

    The reasons I've read online for the strike don't seem that compelling. I interpreted it as first protecting jobs in Halifax due to contract losses and not recruiting for new Bradford depot drivers for work that doesn't exist. And I just don't get it.

    Does anybody on here know more than the Telegraph and Argus do?
     
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    4 boards on the 576 were given back to Halifax in January to offset losses in Halifax. The 576 itself was Halifax run since at least deregulation, and was only passed to Bradford a few years ago.

    The loss of work in Bradford has generally been most of the minibus services in recent years, so the depot has got smaller but it's still got over 200 buses allocated, one of the biggest in the whole of FirstGroup (both of the Leeds depots are just a slightly bit smaller) so the articles talking like it's been decimated and is heading for closure are overreacting a tad.
     
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    The strike appears to be well supported. First apparently have their managers out running a skeleton service in the areas first have a monopoly.
     
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    The union is apparently concerned that Bradford is being prepared for closure or sale.
     
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    Really? The idea of closure seems a bit far fetched. As for sale, what does a strike do other than make it more likely? That said, I'd be very surprised if Bradford was divested - bringing in a prospective competitor into the heart of their territory seems unlikely.

    One wonders what the Halifax shoppy makes of this, as surely the non-relocation of the 576 would mean some of their members jobs being at risk?
     
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    Indeed. Link http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/cuts-to-bradford-bus-services-prompt-48-hour-strike/

     
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    I suspect they've seen how part of First GM (ie Wigan) has been divested and are concerned that the same could happen in First WY.
     
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    Again, that was a geographically distinct operation. Taken to its extremes, any depot in any First business could be at risk at any time so a strike is thereby justified.

    IMHO, there's perhaps one major depot in First at risk of disposal and it ain't in Yorkshire!
     
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    http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/bradford/travel_news/service_updates/?item=83171&conf=1

    Are First allowed to just run services that aren't registered - I realise they can't run all the normal ones that are due to the strike action but aren't they supposed to run as many journeys as they can on normal routes?

    But then you're always likely to suggest that, aren't you?
     
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    Reading the whole article it seems to me that the relocation of the 4 car workings was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

    If what the article states is true it seems as though management are deliberately provoking the union by ignoring them, and ignoring agreements made... probably over many years.

    How would the managers like it if head office came down and said "we're taking away your BMW's and Audis... here's a Skoda for your company car.. like it or lump it"?

    Unfortunately all too often that is how management of large companies treat their staff.

    It's about time that managers realised that the drivers are their most important asset and not a neccesary evil!
     
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    Yes, but that article is hardly a balanced, impartial view. Also, before we get too "right on, brother", remember that as well as bad managers, there are also bad drivers and shop stewards.
     
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    Until a couple of years ago the 576 was entirely operated by Halifax - now a minority of runs have gone back to them.
     
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    Do the services in post #10 exist. Friend is currently at Bradford Interchange waiting for a bus (luckily can use a Keighley service if needed) and they dont seem to exist, he says.
     
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    They do exist, but generally only every 30 mins or hourly.

    Also they aren't using those numbers, they are either displaying proper service numbers or just a blank screen with a card in the window.

    Every time one appears, they've been announcing the services by tannoy.
     
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    Will there be consequences for FirstBus of failing to operate services as registered? As a private company with the freedom to make money, it surely has a responsibility to provide sufficient staff to operate the services it has registered, and failure to do so should attract a fine? It is no concern of the passenger how the company manages its own affairs.
     
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    Unlikely. I can't recall an instance where any business has been penalised by the TC such as the recent London industrial action.
     
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    London is, of course, a different kettle of fish - if a company fails to operate a service they face strict penalties, including staff shortages due to industrial action. I presume the same occurs with councils outwith London - I know that when First Mainline had strike action 10-15 years ago, the only services which ran were those operated on contract to the SYPTE, due to the penalties otherwise faced.
     
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    Not really. The TC doesn't distinguish on who finances what or the penalties may be levied.

    Stagecoach Yorkshire had their strikes a few years ago and I don't recall any action from the TC.

    Industrial action is usually regarded as force majeure so the usual rules do not apply.
     
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    First Aberdeen had industrial action a few years ago and were up before the Traffic Commissioners for it and other things. I remember it was because they ran a special timetable during the industrial action and the time taken to revert to the registered timetable. I think it was about a week after the action ceased.
     
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    The union say there is no recruitment of new drivers, except First were advertising for new drivers for Bradford a couple of weeks ago
     
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    And given my experiences with the buses in Queensbury since it changed, I wish they'd all go back to Skircoat Road.

    As others have said, the 576 was always a Halifax run until about three years ago. That's why it is the last departure on a night out of Bradford INterchange, it was getting the bus back to Halifax. The service worsened after the switch too, including the loss of the last bus from Halifax to Queensbury.
     
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    Well going on strike will really help the business won't it?
     
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