Never said that of course they will but concession money is a big portion of the income and they are still getting that for operating around 1/5 of the normal service if that.
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TheGrandWazoo
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From memory, about 40 to 50% of passenger journeys are concessions. That's what the operators are getting paid for. Remember that these are generally under-recompensed anyway so the operators are more dependent on those fare paying passengers and they are scarcer. Yes, they still get the BSOG based on what they would have operated but that's a contribution to overall costs.
If they're operating 1/5 of the service, they're not escaping 80% of the costs; there are still fixed costs like properties, utilities, depreciation of the fleet that are still being incurred, or minimum levels of those back office people. Passenger levels are at 10-12% of normal figures.
In short, if companies across the sector are able to staunch the losses, they are doing well.
overthewater
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I do think most companies will managed to break even during this period especially if the income is going on everything else bar the wages. On certain routes your still getting the same amount of money for less freq service carrying fresh air ( at times I have seen some busy runs)
On top of that as you said TGW we dont know what coming down the road, but It's clear that some major income streams for this year have disappeared, in Scotland alone.. like Airports, Highland show, Edinburgh festival, rewind, Scottish Grand national, SSE Hydro events, Radio 1 big weekend, Kiltwalks. So there clear going to be some hits in profits for 2020/21... but it's also unclear if Working from home will become common place, its also unclear if the shift in new jobs will all disappear, like Amazon, Supermarkets etc a good number of these people still use the buses.
WE could have bad reseccion then suddenly have the biggest boom in the economy ever, however that will not help any bus company recope the lost work as eg above.
On top of that as you said TGW we dont know what coming down the road, but It's clear that some major income streams for this year have disappeared, in Scotland alone.. like Airports, Highland show, Edinburgh festival, rewind, Scottish Grand national, SSE Hydro events, Radio 1 big weekend, Kiltwalks. So there clear going to be some hits in profits for 2020/21... but it's also unclear if Working from home will become common place, its also unclear if the shift in new jobs will all disappear, like Amazon, Supermarkets etc a good number of these people still use the buses.
WE could have bad reseccion then suddenly have the biggest boom in the economy ever, however that will not help any bus company recope the lost work as eg above.
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Stan Drews
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What happened to “say no more”
The headline says the “government will reimburse bus companies for Coronavirus losses”, which is not accurate.
christopherrfc
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First and McGills are accepting tickets on the first services 1/1a and 1d and mcgills 757 between dalmuir and clydebank from tomorrow
Interesting , i thought a bridge was too low for deckers on the route.
It is unless it has went to its old route
If it's the bridge on Titwood Road then the low height E400s will fit under it as the bridge is 13' 9.
These e400 can fit under that bridge seen a pic on Facebook
I never said they couldn't. I said they could fit.
The 34 used to be operated by the low height Leyland Olympians back in the day quite regularly. Plenty of photos on Flickr.
JumpinTrainz
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I wonder why they haven’t considered having a few low height E400s on the 34 especially during peak times. They seem to have favoured singles for so long. Especially given the E400s have strayed from the 6 quite regularly in recent years.
Maybe they only just checked that a low height can fit under that bridge. Dont think any of the low heights should be straying off the 6.
I doubt that very much, as I said, the 34 was regularly operated by low height Olympians before they were withdrawn so they definitely know that a low height decker will fit. It's more likely that these days there isn't enough demand to warrant operating double deckers on the route.
JumpinTrainz
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They do though and have been for years. The 6 was mainly being made up from singles before this pandemic.
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I remember it going via Shawmoss Street thus permitting the use of Atlanteans and Ailsas.
Sorry my mistake
The low height olympians never went under that bridge
NorthClyde320
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The 34 was regularly operated by a variety of deckers as it used to avoid the low bridge it was then converted to a higher frequency minibus operation and rerouted under the low bridge. I remember this from Buses magazine some years ago, it showed a pic of an L-UNS Olympian with one of the Merc Vario's that replaced the deckers.
I'm pretty sure at some point they would have as there is plenty of photos of them on the 34 on Flickr.
Busman84
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When the Merc Vitos arrived (I think 2001/2) the 34 route was changed to operate along Titwood Road. Before that the 34 operated via Shawmoss Road/Haggs Road and interworked with the 37 changing at Castlemilk.
No bud they never had their was a other company which ran in competition with first so first then made the 34 minibus only and changed the route so it could follow the other company
GaryMcEwan
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The other operator was First Stop Travel, but L-UNS Olympians did definitely work the 34. Did a bit of digging on Flickr....
See here...
Glasgowbusguy
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Maybe with the 34/A it could be become just the 34 serving both the hospital and govan bus station
And with the 9 currently suspended I dont think any route is protected
And with the 9 currently suspended I dont think any route is protected
Dont some evening 34s serve both the hospital and Govan?
Yeah the evening ones do and all Sunday ones too. Would make sense to just merge them into one service for all journeys