First Group: Edinburgh Bus Tours

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  1. overthewater

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    First really should get in for the last week of june.
     
  2. In Focus

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    Who said 2 ? It is more than that is all I will say at present
    It will be a Hop on - Hop off type ticket.
     
  3. In Focus

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    I guess your correct but it's got to start somewhere and I guess if last week of June was date some would say get in for early June!! :)
     
  4. Jordan Adam

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    There was two Tridents reported at Caley (One of them being confirmed as 17079 Ex-Cambridge), i'd assume there's where the number two has came from.
     
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    Should’ve been mid Feb with c.150 sightseeing buses :lol::lol:
     
  6. overthewater

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    I think the two open topper have been moved east. Can anyone comfirm?
     
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    Were they fit to move? Lol
     
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    Seen one heading into Larbert depot . V528ESC I think it was ,all over red .
     
  9. Jordan Adam

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    That's a WCM motor...
     
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    If that's its plate then its an ex Lothian open top whichI think was with Craigs of Cambeltown and registered WCM 200.
    So being ex lothian was probably able to move under its own power rather than "be moved'.
     
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    Any visitor too the city I hope are wise enough not to use these old polluting buses, a total kick in the teeth given the whole country is trying to improve there emission levels, if lothian sees this out until we see an LEZ in edinburgh it will put First under even more pressure as lothian are already compliant with its tour buses.
     
  12. Robertj21a

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    Does Edinburgh not have a low emission zone yet ?
     
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    How on earth can Lothian already be compliant with a LEZ that dosent exist yet, yet you can say that First are using old polluting buses when the vehicles haven't been announced yet?
    p.s. What are next weeks lottery numbers?
     
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    Lothians tour buses are all euro 6 therefore are compliant with current standards.
    250 was running in Glasgow recently and is therefore LEZ compliant
    All the indications and speculation suggest that firsts open toppers come from a time when Euro 3 was the standard
     
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    One of the confirmed buses is Euro2, but may have had a refit at some point.
     
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    Just because it was running in Glasgow doesn’t make it LEZ compliant as Glasgow’s LEZ has not fully kicked in yet.
     
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    Gingerbus1991 isn anti First. ALL of First buses going into Edinburgh are Euro 6. Lothian can't say.....

    The 2 tour buses went down the M8 and M80 today. Its strange there there went to Labart and not West Lothian. Does anyone else know what other stock is being used for this?
     
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    Edinburgh LEZ will be seen by 2024, its only 4 years away, first run from edinburgh nearly 20 years ago at simple losses from old buses not never mind the mounting pressure of the approaching LEZ which have quickly prepared themselves for, I certainly think this will be a quick attack to try and get lothian to give up LC, with a new depot, many new drivers and new buses will in the way of the Green Arrow coaches, first are digging a hole to bury all there losses, even if lothian do make substantial losses, everything previously looks at first giving up before lothian will...

    I am regarding the vehicles that First are rumoured to be using on this proposed tour bus.
     
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    FIrst never used old buses back in the bus war of 2000-02, it was brand new darts? First isn't digging a hole it's the most cunning plan its ever had, its impossible for this attack not to cover its cost. Lothian will have a tone of losses aswell

    No one cares if Edinburgh get a LEZ in 2024 it very likley this idea will be gone ( that is the case what is your point? ) or First will go out shopping and convert some 2016 stuff.
     
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    Point taken, the LEZ will effect motorists most of all but considering Edinburgh city councils previous weak stance on introducing congestion charging as well, we’ll have to wait to be see as with all the rumours, of course it will effect bus companies anyways if they aren't compliant.

    Simply, First are left having to attack tours in Edinburgh as its likely the only thing they’ll have enough buses and enough drivers for whilst trying to attract edinburgh tourists who don't have loyalty to LB.

    As a long term venture goes still early days yet with LCB as well.

    First have a very narrow chance of making any clear impact against lothian within the city on any of its subsidiaries.
     
  21. overthewater

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    First are working smarter not harder ;)
     
  22. Gingerbus1991

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    Lol I’ll believe that when I really see it!
     
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    In all fairness within Edinburgh First probably have a better chance making something out of the tour services rather than city services. So i'd say this is a wise move.

    As has been noted before First (or any operator for that matter) can probably get more out of tour services in Edinburgh than Lothian can in West Lothian. Unlike general passengers tourists probably won't care about the age of the vehicles, it mainly comes down to route and cost.

    Some of the Streetlites are Euro 5.
     
  24. overthewater

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    I'm surprised some of the Streetlites are Euro5!
     
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    So the proposed tours by First will make up for the losses already likely felt by First in WL?

    Tour operations are circumstantial from the time of year where as LC services will pick up all year round in WL, it is difficult to move into a market which you have no original foothold as lothian likely understand even before it launched any competing services in WL, however it is still early days, some are optimistic, I’ll call myself realistic!
     
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    The cummins engined ones are E5 compliant.
     
  27. Jordan Adam

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    IIRC First are not making a loss in WL (yet).

    As i've said, i'm going to wait until the services launches before making full judgement, so i was just giving a generalised approach (passengers will go with what is cheapest, not what has the youngest fleet age & any operator can get more out of the tours than Lothian can in WL).
     
  28. In Focus

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    Rather like saying why should the people in West Lothian be polluted with these 04 plate vehicles when First were using 14 and 66 plate low emission ones !!
    I hope the people of West Lothian see through the "keep Edinburgh moving" brigade and wise enough not to use them!
    #just to keep the balance :)
     
  29. Jordan Adam

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    The 04 plates have exhaust modifications so they match the same emissions standards as those 14 plate Streetlites you mention... (Euro5)
     
  30. In Focus

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    was meant as a wind up ...
    how about the "keep Edinburgh moving" slogan whilst servicing Blackridge to Livingston :)
     

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