First Midland bluebird improvements

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  1. overthewater

    overthewater Established Member

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    Waited until official announcement at 13.00:

    First are to pull out of East Lothian and both Depots NB and Muss are to close. ( Look down at bottom of page 1 of detail of Scottish borders)

    This is a SAD day for Eastern Scottish, the once grand empire, but its been on the cards for years and its been will know, The clues were all there Accounts which highlighted awful losses, lack of new buses.

    Hopeful All staff will be able to transfered to other companies and other First depots.

    BUT now we can moved forward and look at all the good thats taken place within Midland Bluebird. New buses, revised networks and new Zonal tickets its a bright future now for FIRST in Central Scotland!

    http://www.route-one.net/articles/Operations/First_proposes_to_cease_operations_in_West_Lothian

     
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  2. Bletchleyite

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    I would imagine Lothian will step in, so nobody (passenger wise) will be too upset. Shame for the staff though; hopefully Lothian can also take them on.
     
  3. overthewater

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    http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/n...ALL_bus_services_in_East_Lothian_this_summer/

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    The MP has tweeted:
    https://twitter.com/IainGrayMSP/status/735092031329083393

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    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...othian-services-threatening-88-jobs-1-4136617
     
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  4. d1672

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    HI,

    Overthewater quoted, from First Group, I presume

    "BUT now we can moved forward and look at all the good thats taken place within Midland Bluebird. New buses, revised networks and new Zonal tickets its a bright future now for FIRST in Central Scotland! "

    I can't find anything about "New Zonal Tickets". Is this true or is the quote referring to the tickets introduced more than 10 years ago !!!!

    Thomas
     
  5. overthewater

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    BBC have now got the story,
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36370496

    STV has the story
    http://stv.tv/news/east-central/1355177-jobs-at-risk-as-bus-firm-reveals-plans-to-scrap-services/

    Alas First has yet to have any confirmation about anything on their website, whether its First Scotland, or First Group. Also because the school contracts need to go back out to tender, its not know at this moment of time where staff could move on to at this moment of time.

    Really? You not seen the NEW Falkirk ticket?

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    https://www.firstgroup.com/south-east-and-central-scotland/more/save-falkirk
     
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  6. KendalKing

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    What the betting, that the beach ball bus co, takes-over.
     
  7. F Great Eastern

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    What is the fleet profile like in these depots?
     
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    Well Lothian have been advertising loads recently for qualified pcv drivers to "expand there network" so looks like they have a plan and hopefully it will mean the first drivers who want a job with them can get one.
     
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    Guess it might help someone of the depots with more old stock if they redistribute the newer stuff.
     
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    For years, there have been passenger complaints about the quality and reliability of the vehicles on the Dunbar, Haddington and North Berwick to/from Edinburgh services. A common view seems to be that Lothian is the obvious replacement for First (presumably in green with their zoned-fare uplift) - certainly the vehicles and reliability would be better. Eve of Dunbar and Prentice of Haddington are obvious possibilities, but I wonder about Perryman. Their existing 253 Edinburgh - Haddington - Dunbar - Berwick is about two-hourly Monday to Saturday daytime, so a more intensive service over the western end would be a natural extension. And could the North Berwick garage be taken over to operate between there and Edinburgh, and (given the disappearance of buses there at present for schools) maybe it's large enough to partially-supply the other East Lothian corridor as well?
     
  12. THarris123

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    Does this affect any services of Firsts in Edinburgh?
     
  13. oldman

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    There is some network overlap to Haddington which might be 'rationalised'. Currently 5 an hour to town (not so long ago 2) + 1 to Musselburgh. So there might be some losers, as when Midlothian closed.
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    They run the offpeak and weekend 18 for the city council from Musselburgh.
     
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    NOTE: Service no18 is up for retendering over this summer aswell, with plans to double the frequency.
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    Its getting worse than...

    http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/14513368.First_Bus_bombshell_for_the_Borders/

     
  15. Bletchleyite

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    Does North Berwick actually *need* a bus when it has a train?
     
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    Does London need any buses when it has trains?
     
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    Does Milton Keynes need buses as it too has trains??? Seriously?????
     
  18. Bletchleyite

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    Erm, both of those are large places with significant internal travel demand. North Berwick is a very small town.

    I certainly don't see any great need to provide bus services that only directly compete with rail services. Though Port Seton, Aberlady, Gullane and Dirleton might need something.
     
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  19. Zoidberg

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    You show little understanding of North Berwick and its environs.
     
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    What does the Edinburgh-North Berwick bus service do that the train doesn't other than serve those few places?
     
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    See now I always thought that was the point of a bus service - it joins up small villages and places where the train doesn't serve with larger towns and cities.

    Its not a very good argument really you have there.
     
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    First's contract for the 18 is up in July, at the end of the five-year period. It's returning to Lothian after then.
     
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    Just looking at the fleetlist for Musselburgh and there doesn't seem to be too much cr*p there. Newest stuff is 57 plate and there is 1 Y reg decker, as well as a few 51/02 reg deckers. Doesn't look too bad compared to some First depots. I expect most of the vehicles will go to Larbert?
     
  24. overthewater

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    There had just been sent to Muss over the past 12 months, it will depend on the school contracts won or lost if the fleet moves to the central belt.
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    https://www.facebook.com/iaingrayeastlothian/posts/1036869103044864

    Iain Gray the MSP has made a response. Very fair comments and it seems he blaming First group nationally.
     
  25. robertclark125

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    I can tell you that last year, a friend of mine, who is, like me, a volunteer with the Lothian Bus Consortium, at the Scottish Vintage Bus Museum, said, once they had enough drivers, the firm he drives for, Lothian Buses, were going to aim for North Berwick. So I imagine Lothian will now make that move. And a depot in North Berwick is an option, just buy the existing one from First.

    Someone mentioned on here about Northampton, I'll repeat these views I said before. If you look at the areas of First that have struggled in recent years, been sold, or closed, in the main, the areas affected have been ex GRT bits. Northampton was ex GRT. Parts of eastern counties have struggled, ex GRT. Now we see total exit from East Lothian. Ex GRT. The borders has been decimated. Ex GRT.

    I accept other bits that weren't ex GRT have struggled. But, when you look at what happened, the damage was done by the GRT influence.
     
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    Don't recollect North Devon ever being influenced by GRT though. There, as in Northampton, once Stagecoach come in to compete, as opposed to agreeing a carve-up viz Manchester, it doesn't seem to take too long for First to capitulate.
     
  27. oldman

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    I don't think you can blame GRT for the reopening of the railway which has inevitably hit the x95. Several of the other proposed cuts are subsidised services (not sure about the Hawick locals) and the Borders is not unique in losing local bus services.
     
  28. Blindtraveler

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    Due to limmitations on the ECML the 1tph to North Berwick needs bus to augment it as well as serve smaller places. I doubt stagecoach will be interested due to both Lothian and Perryman not to mention plenty people around to take up any tendered work.

    The borders is sad, but not unpredicted I fear
     
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    I'm not blaming GRT for the reopening of the railway. What I am blaming GRT for, mainly after it "took over" Badgerline, is how it took its eye off the ball in the borders, and tried to compete with Lothian buses, but did so by cutting services in the Borders. Sure, some of those depots were small, Hawick had 14 vehicles, Kelso 12. But they were serving communities, and provided a decent service.

    Last year, when I was in Hawick and Kelso one day, I saw a couple of First vehicles in service. The external appearance left a lot to be desired. What happens to the rest of the services in the Borders, we can only wonder.
     
  30. d1672

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    Really? You not seen the NEW Falkirk ticket?

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    https://www.firstgroup.com/south-east-and-central-scotland/more/save-falkirk[/QUOTE]

    Hi,

    The Falkirk Zonal ticket included Alloa, however First no longer operate routes from Falkirk to Alloa, therefore by default, when they remove Kincardine and Alloa from the zone you are left with just the Falkirk ticket, therefore not really a new zone.

    Thomas
     

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