First Midland bluebird improvements

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  1. TheGrandWazoo

    TheGrandWazoo Established Member

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    I might take the last bit with a pinch of salt. FifeFirst came "from the top" and was always a spoiler against Stagecoach to retaliate against their Glasgow incursions.
     
  2. ChrisPJ

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    Yes what a heap of nonsense. Private bus company sells to private company. Not the same as municipal selling to a plc, TUPE aside there's no obligation on the new owners to do owt whatsoever.
     
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    I assume they're both going to suggest that the Scottish Parliament puts more money into transport across the board in future, and not just a couple of big ticket vanity schemes.
     
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    It was also the use of on-street stops in Dalkeith town centre by LRT which helped to kill off Dalkeith bus station. Lowland and Eastern initially continued to use it but by 1990 Lowland had switched to the on-street stops as had Eastern's main road services. There was very little using the bus station by the time it was closed to accommodate additional bus parking.

    One interesting aspect of this affected LRT's service 82 out to Rosewell, which operated hail-and-ride westbound on a section of Eskbank Road adjacent to the bus station to avoid upsetting Eastern, who had apparently refused to allow LRT to use the westbound bus stop directly opposite it. IIRC, this situation lasted well into the nineties.
     
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  5. TheGrandWazoo

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    I remember Dalkeith bus station well - catching Fleetlines and Ailsas up to Polton where my sister lived in the mid 1980s. The latter were a novelty for someone who tended to live on a diet of VRs, LHs and Nationals!
     
  6. enrag2000

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    Perrymans Buses Limited was renamed Borders Buses Limited on 10th February 2017 in anticipation of the takeover.
     
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    Yes but the very committed staff didn't know that!
     
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    The FifeFirst drivers were superb. Remember one called John who was really pleasant and helpful. If I remember rightly the regular commuters bought him a leaving present when the service stopped.
     
  9. overthewater

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-39229926

    I would tell the minster to get lost.

     
  10. DunsBus

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    Ms Grahame has a damned cheek to mention this to the Scottish Transport Minister when she herself has openly criticised First at every opportunity since she was elected. I was in the same room as her at an MSPs forum recetly and she came across to me as very obnoxious as well as being a human foghorn. Anyone on the panel who didn't agree with her got shouted down, and she was very quick to interrupt other panel members when it was their turn to speak. I'm glad she is not my local MSP.
     
  11. oldman

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    I'm sure Humza the magic hard-hat will sort it all out. I wouldn't be surprised if he personally arranges for all the First workers to be transferred to WCM and for lifeline services to continue (for a while). We are lucky to have such fine ministers looking after every aspect of our lives. And there aren't council elections coming and he won't visit Gala interchange in his hi-viz jacket.
     
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    He's playing politics, any minister would, or should, be aware of T.U.P.E. (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations) which will apply to the transfer of depots between these companies.
     
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  13. overthewater

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    More changes to the companies tickets, remember this wont be the last, Not just because the borders is going.

    New ticket:
    https://www.firstgroup.com/south-ea...s/news/new-firstday-ticket-introduced-between

    Personnel I think that a bit high, and should be £5.

    Below, I've not heard of half these tickets, Where did there come from and where there never taken out of action. Who bought them?

    https://www.firstgroup.com/south-ea...dates/news/withdrawal-historical-first-ticket

     
  14. Sybic26

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    Re the item from overthewater.
    The historical tickets which are now no longer available are those which were available within the First Scotland East area in 2004.
    In 2004 First became the franchise holder of the ScotRail franchise. Following an MMC enquiry into the operation of First Scotland East and First ScotRail, First Scotland East had to give undertakings regarding mileage operated, fare levels and the tickets available to the public. The list included the ones which are no longer available.
    Falk 1,2 and 3 and Stirl 1,2 and 3 were zonal tickets, Livi was the old Livi card. Cap Bo'ness, Cap Q'ferry and Cap K'liston, Cap is short for Capital Card, Eastcards were sold in East Lothian, Midcards sold in Midlothian,reiver and Waverley tickets were sold in the Borders and Edinburgh City.

    First was released from the undertakings in 2016. Perhaps someone forgot about the multi journey tickets available and presumably available until very recently and they have now decided to withdraw them.
     
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    When NatEx first gained the Scotrail franchise, they owned Scottish Citylink, so obviously they had to divest some of their operations. I hadn't quite considered that First would have conflicting interests
     
  16. overthewater

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    SO in 2004 when the new tickets scheme come in to operation the old tickets were NEVER killed off? I wonder if anyone were still able to buy them? and where? for many years there were no booking offices in the FSE empire. I wonder if there were cheaper then the zone tickets.
     
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    Has it been confirmed that the takeover will still be on Saturday 25th? Borders Buses has a Facebook page set up by WCM but it just says "coming soon."

    I have not seen any official announcement since the original one on 8th March.
     
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    Last day of operations by First Borders is Saturday 25th March with Borders Buses taking over from the following day The deal is expected to be completed at lunchtime today (24th).
     
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    The new services are on Vosa as effective 26/3.

    From the Border Telegraph:

    All very just-in-time. And what about the people who really matter - the bus enthusiasts who want to plan a last First trip to the Borders.
     
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    This was to be expected. It was just some people getting very excited claiming that there was a new fleet ready to take over!
     

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