First South West and Wales discussion

Discussion in 'Buses & Coaches' started by Ivo, 27 Feb 2012.

  1. carlberry

    carlberry Established Member

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    The problem with East Coast is that the general public voted to continue with rail franchising last year so it's going to carry on like that. The advantage is that East Coast will compete with West Coast to keep prices down, improve services etc. etc. (see relevant PR drivel) and, it's not like the bad old days when they were run by the same company!!!

    A lot of the arguments against privatisation go along the lines of 'nasty companies making profits' which would be a useful argument if they were actually making mega profits but, in reality, they don't. Even if the government decided to, overnight, nationalise the industry without compensation it would take a very short time before the level of profits was actually replaced by the costs involved in having government organising the industry. The net benefit that could actually go into improving the network would be very low (less than 5% at a guess) and, as buses dont win votes at a national level, you can guess where that 5% is going to go, even if it actually that big. The downside would be that instead of having people running the buses that have incentives to keep people coming back the industry would rapidly be run by people whose first priority is to please local and national politicians and things get really expensive very quickly in these cases, and get really bad for passengers. This isn't to say the current system is perfect (network information was often better under NBC for example), but, until somebody votes in the kind of government that's willing to spend serious money on buses, it's likely to be better than the alternative.
     
  2. TheGrandWazoo

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    To be fair, my late father may have had a hand in it. A couple of decent routes propping up a lot of highly unremunerative work! Still, paid for my upbringing and my mum still gets his pension!
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    Put better than I could (or did).
     
  3. South Westerly

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    Has anyone seen this one recently - MAN Wrights SF08RRO? Was silver and blue and operating with CityFox.
    Anyone know where I might see it?
     
  4. freetoview33

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    East Coast and West Coast are both Virgin Trains/Stagecoach anyway! So no competition there at the moment!

    Anyway back to First in Bristol! Any news on the 54?
     
  5. carlberry

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    Somebody on the Bristol indeps thread said
    'It's quite often parked up on a night, in a dark corner, at the old Bristol Greyhound 'depot'. '
     
  6. South Westerly

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    Thanks. Where's that?
     
  7. TheGrandWazoo

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    Was Swifty who mentioned it? I'd interpreted it as the former Pier Buses parking area at Lawrence Hill. Has anyone clocked the disc on it?
     
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    Come to think of it, I haven't seen it parked up there for a few weeks now. It used to be parked right up against the fence next to the cycle track on an evening.
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    Lawrence Hill, the other side of the fence from the DVSA car park.
     
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  9. DaveHarries

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    I heard online earlier that First are due to release full details of the changes during the course of this week.

    Dave
     
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    G'day
    1st post in this thread, I have always been curious as to why First have a presence in the Haverfordwest / Pembroke area with just a few routes, is this an historical anomaly? Wouldn't Silcox be better operating the routes?

    Cheers
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  11. TheGrandWazoo

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    It is a historic anomaly and forgive me if my knowledge isn't as detailed as some but here goes....

    The operations in that part of Wales were historically Western Welsh, a BET subsidiary. As well as Haverfordwest, there were also depots at Carmarthen, St Davids, Newcastle Emlyn and New Quay. However, even this was a bit distant from the main WW operations that extended from Bridgend and through Cardiff and the Valleys.

    However, in 1971, the UK bus industry experienced a massive cut in subsidy and a number of firms severely pruned back their operations (such as Western National in North Cornwall but even Southdown and Midland Red). In West Wales, Carmarthen and St Davids depots were closed and so it became a bit of distant island of operation with small independents picking up a lot of the discarded work. Haverfordwest survived because of the oil industry money in Milford Haven and indeed, it had new Atlanteans there.

    In 1973, the depots at New Quay and Newcastle Emlyn were transferred to Crosville because that firm had a better relationship with the local county council (but that's another story). It may have been at that point that the decision was taken that this distant pocket of WW operation would sit better with South Wales Transport and so it was transferred. It was linked with the rest of the network with ExpressWest coach services running from Bristol and along the length of the M4/A48/A40

    That was the same until deregulation until the newly privatised SWT decided to expand their operations and began with a small set of tendered operations in Carmarthen. They also sold the Haverfordwest depot and bus station site for development, moving to Withybush.

    A later expansion in Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire came in the mid 1990s when Davies Bros of Pencader went bust and so a full Carmarthen depot and an expanded network came about. However, the usual First malaise saw the usual contraction and the Carmarthen depot closed in c.2009 (though some vehicles still used it for parking). However, the Haverfordwest depot continues with some now ageing Darts on two main routes.

    I hope this helps and apologies if I've made the odd error.
     
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    If anyone fancies 42472 you have until next Monday to put in a bid as it's for sale on Ebay. I believe the Vario must be 52554 as the last surviving one with FSW.
     
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    Slightly off topic but I was reading a document from Bristol City Council back from 2001 and they did have some mad plans. A total of 9 park & rides around Bristol being the main point!
     
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    53401 is back in working order today - on 375
     
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    66301 on 2 and 66342 on 1 next to each other today, and a Dart on another 1.
     
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    Just seen a Dart on a Northbound 1. It had 1 Westbury(not Westbury 1!) on the destination display.

    With Wessex introducing their new service 2 from Broadmead-Southmead Hospital from 24th April, which will run the same route as First's 2 as far as Greystoke Avenue, then via Pen Park Road and Monks Park Avenue. I wonder if they will now finally re-instate the four bus stops (2 on each side) on the Southern park of Pen Park Road again? What with First's 77 running via that stretch for the past year as well. There is a bit of a long gap between bus stops between the end of Greystoke Avenue and the Southmead Hospital bus terminus.
     
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  18. winston270twm

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    First are now changing their 1/2 timetable 6 days after the Wessex changes:

    PH0007208/21 - FIRST BRISTOL LIMITED, LAWRENCE HILL DEPOT, EASTON ROAD, BRISTOL, BS5 0DZ
    Variation Accepted: Operating between Cribbs Causeway, Bus Station and Broomhill/ Stockwood given service number 1/2 effective from 30-Apr-2016. To amend Timetable.
     
  19. freetoview33

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    I think they might put 1 pair back but doubt that both pairs will be reinstated
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    So the 54 is just a variation of the 53
     
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    Both pairs still exist according to Traveline, Google Maps, the Next Stop TV screens on some Darts, and *some* drivers.

    Both pairs do not exist according to the Greater Bristol Bus Map, NextBus on the First website, or *some* drivers.

    But then equally, the 625 route is on Traveline as inward to the Hospital via Southmead Way, but the drivers use either that or Monks park Way inward. Seems nobody really knows what happens in the area around those darned double mini-roundabouts...

    I had heard on the grapevine in the hospital that the long term plan is for services to use Southmead Way as much as possible to get to/from the hospital rather than Monks Park Way, once the new bus station is open. Basically overall it makes little difference, except the 3/4 of a mile gap between the hospital main stop and BAWA will be broken by a stop at Lidl, so it will once again be feasible to get on at Lidl to go up Southmead Rd. Why they couldn't simply have a stop at the double minis just after the junction going in each direction, I don't know...

    Sorry - this is my regular haunt and it really bugs me... :mad:
     
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    37764 and 62242 on 14 in Bath this afternoon
     
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    it weas dumped at the ss great britan coach park last week. the grayhound disk in it is forged.
     
  23. freetoview33

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    Indeed but this was the case before anyway! They only stopped using Southmead Way when the new hospital opened and demolition work started. Once the new road is finished then that was always the plan for services to go back via Southmead Way
     
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    Be surprised if anything is due for Wells - not had any VOSA registrations through whereas all the Bristol, Bath and North Somerset have been through.

    Looks like the 35A are just placement journeys (head from Bridgeyate to Cherry Gardens) and the 54 likewise just placement journeys - nothing to report :|

    Freudian slip though.....First down as the 901 operator :oops:

    Interesting to see the 48A scaled back quite a bit too.

    Here's my bit of a guess....the cuts in Bristol and Bath will see the first nibblings into the W reg deckers (native and not) ;)
     
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    There is plenty of double deck rubbish that needs shot of so yes!
     
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    Have to see what First say. I'm still suspicious as the new timetables for 319 and a couple of others haven't come up on Traveline yet.
     
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    To be honest I did think every ten minutes for the 48A was a little bit optimistic, and I do think every twenty minutes seems much more realistic.

    I do feel the X74 needs a good sort out mind.
     
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    Give it til next weekend but if there's nothing in N&P then it's probably that
     
  30. freetoview33

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    Im surprised they have cut the 48A whilst the 13 is still around but needs must I guess!
     

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