Five Class 319/769s for the Welsh Network

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  1. Dai Corner

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    It appears we are going to get five Cl319 Flex electro-diesels, and further unspecified stock

    http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...-electro-diesel-multiple-units-for-wales.html



     
  2. Gareth Marston

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    Accurate reporting from Railway Gazette unlike ITV

    http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-...-wales-most-crowded-services-to-be-announced/


    Slightly better from the South Wales Argus
    http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/15413850.Five_new_trains_will_be_on_lines_in_Wales_in_2018/

    at least they acknowledge there for PPM mods.

     
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  3. PaulHarding150

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    Extra capacity for the Wales and Borders franchise from next year it seems...

    Source: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/twenty-new-train-coaches-coming-13338737

    Edit: it's 5 x 4-car trains, the heading I've used is not accurate, appologies.
     
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  4. jcollins

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    Title should say ATW to take on 5 x 769s. The bi-mode 319s will be 769s and it's 20 carriages not 20 trains.
     
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  5. Townsend Hook

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    Slightly off topic, but as to 'whether electric trains carrying diesel would be allowed in the tunnels' GBRf 73/9s are down there every four weeks or so on PLPR trains.
     
  6. Gareth Marston

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    Confusion and Speculation down at the Western Mail

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/twenty-new-train-coaches-coming-13338737

     
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    Don't spoil the welshies moment of glory in the media sunshine with such technicalities!!! ;)
     
  8. PaulHarding150

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    Yes, I did edit the story at 9:10 but can't edit the title.
     
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    Great to see hand-me-down unproven stock being deployed in South Wales :(
     
  10. jcollins

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    They'll be disappointed if they think they are getting 20 trains when only 5 turn up!
     
  11. jcollins

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    You need to click 'Go Advanced' after you've clicked Edit/Delete to be able to edit the title.
     
  12. Clansman

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    ...as well as not spoiling the anticipated silence of PEP diehards in light of this news :D
     
  13. jcollins

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    If they are unreliable ATW will find out prior to taking delivery when Northern's units cause chaos by blocking the WCML or block the cross-Manchester line.
     
  14. Townsend Hook

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    Gotta be proven somewhere..
     
  15. Bletchleyite

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    Mk3-derived EMUs won't fit in the Merseyrail tunnels, will they? Nice idea in principle, though - anyone for a generator module in some of the FLIRTs?
     
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    Don't think they can get through the Mersey tunnels without the flat roof and having a pantograph on top, but if they can one issue I would identify is timekeeping.

    Locals wouldn't be impressed if Merseyrail trains have to be cancelled entirely or at intermediate stations to get the system back running to time (standard practice) to make up for a late arriving interloper!

    Perhaps more likely to be used on the new Chester to Liverpool via Runcorn service? Pan up/down at Runcorn?
     
  17. jcollins

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    That would seem a sensible plan considering:
    1. The business plan was based on using 4 car 150s or equivalent but given the lack of available 150s, a bi-mode 769 is an equivalent.
    2. The Allerton facility could be used for any maintenance.
    3. Unlike other routes there are overheads which can be used for part of the journey.
     
  18. MatthewRead

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    They're great trains:D
     
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    As 319s maybe, as 769s they're unproven and untested (yet).
     
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    Another nail in the coffin of the D-train. Good.
     

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