For a train travelling between England and Scotland, are the English or Scottish holidays followed?

[miklcct]

As English and Scottish holidays may be different, if a train travels between England and Scotland, what timetable does it follow if it's a holiday on England but not Scotland, or vice versa?

 

[py_megapixel]

As far as I'm aware there's no hard and fast rules about this. It follows whatever timetable the TOC in question has decided to operate that day. Some routes even have a full weekday timetable on public holidays. I don't think I've ever heard of an England-Scotland service being reduced because of Scottish holidays, though.

It certainly doesn't start out in England and then terminate immediately after crossing the border!

 

[JonathanH]

As English and Scottish holidays may be different, if a train travels between England and Scotland, what timetable does it follow if it's a holiday on England but not Scotland, or vice versa?

Scottish Holidays don't tend to have a bearing on Anglo-Scottish trains.

 

[Taunton]

You also get internal Scottish differences, such as Edinburgh and Glasgow having some different dates for holidays. In past times when holidays meant the shops were closed it gave a considerable ridership peak where those on holiday in one city went shopping in the other!

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Scottish Holidays don't tend to have a bearing on Anglo-Scottish trains.

Sometimes no Anglo Scottish trains call at Haymarket on certain Scottish holidays, e.g. 1st January.

 

[The exile]

BHX (bank holidays excepted) tends / tended to be a feature of commuter services, and there aren’t many of those across the border. GSW-line services to Carlisle, probably run to Scottish holidays ( if they’re affected at all), as they are really internal Scottish services that happen to terminate In England. Not sure what happened when some of the Northumberland stoppers ran through to Edinburgh

 

[SargeNpton]

Other than New Year's Day, Anglo-Scottish services all run to the bank holidays for England & Wales.

For rail services wholly within Scotland, many of the Scottish public holiday dates are ignored and a normal timetable operates. 1st & 2nd January are the main exceptions to that. Been many years since I've seen a train cancelled specifically for a Glasgow or Edinburgh holiday.

 

[Falcon1200]

IIRC it was a condition of the Scotrail franchise-before-last award that a full service should operate on Public Holidays (Xmas and New Year excepted), which means that all the peak extras run on Holiday Mondays when there is really no need for them, a Saturday service would surely suffice.

(An irrelevant detail; Banks and Building Societies in Scotland seem to close on the Scottish Public Holidays [fair enough] but also the English ones !)

 

[The exile]

(An irrelevant detail; Banks and Building Societies in Scotland seem to close on the Scottish Public Holidays [fair enough] but also the English ones !)

The staff are entitled to the Scottish BH - the bank can’t do any / much clearing on English BHs because London is closed, presumably

 

[Mag_seven]

For rail services wholly within Scotland, many of the Scottish public holiday dates are ignored and a normal timetable operates.

There certainly used to be a special service in the Glasgow suburban network on the July Glasgow "fair" holiday Monday a few years back but that seems to have been ditched now with a normal M-F service being operated.

 

[SeanG]

What happens with Off Peak tickets on cross border services when there is a difference in Bank/Public Holidays? in general Off Peak tickets are not valid before 0930, except on weekends and bank holidays - is this usually down to guard discretion?

 

[The exile]

What happens with Off Peak tickets on cross border services when there is a difference in Bank/Public Holidays? in general Off Peak tickets are not valid before 0930, except on weekends and bank holidays - is this usually down to guard discretion?

Isn’t the restriction on boarding / departure time? If you get on at Edinburgh at 7.00 am on 2nd January (bh in Scotland) you’re fine - but not if you board the same train at Berwick. Not sure what the legality would be boarding at Berwick with a ticket valid from Edinburgh but once you were on the platform, I doubt anyone would notice

 

[busmanaams]

Other than New Year's Day, Anglo-Scottish services all run to the bank holidays for England & Wales.

For rail services wholly within Scotland, many of the Scottish public holiday dates are ignored and a normal timetable operates. 1st & 2nd January are the main exceptions to that. Been many years since I've seen a train cancelled specifically for a Glasgow or Edinburgh holiday.

One slight variation though. On Easter Monday and Glasgow Fair Monday the odd peak extra service on some of the Glasgow suburban services is withdrawn. There aren't many of these!

 

[snookertam]

One slight variation though. On Easter Monday and Glasgow Fair Monday the odd peak extra service on some of the Glasgow suburban services is withdrawn. There aren't many of these!

This is done away with now. Full service on all Glasgow area suburban services on public holidays. The exception being 2nd January which is radically different to any other day of the year. Services in Scotland tend not to start until mid morning on that date with a reduced service being in operation, whilst cross border services operate a normal timetable for that day of the week.

I can recall in the 1990s the 2nd January service was very reduced - Edinburgh-Glasgow was hourly (from half hourly) calling at all stations, two hourly (from hourly) Glasgow-Aberdeen, calling all stations north of Larbert. Possibly one service each way Edinburgh/Glasgow to Inverness. Many Glasgow suburban routes had no service, even those which didn't typically shut down on a Sunday.

ScotRail also don't operate any service on 1st January, and only in Glasgow area on Boxing day, but I think the latter is similar to England in that only larger cities have a suburban service.

 

[infobleep]

The staff are entitled to the Scottish BH - the bank can’t do any / much clearing on English BHs because London is closed, presumably

With computers, surely it must be possible. For a time Lloyds Bank opened some of it's banks on a Saturday. They may still do that. I can't imagine they would have staff in London doing clearing.