Former Grand Central HSTs now with EMT

[43055]

The sets are allocated as DY21, DY22 and DY23 so are Derby based but I presume it may be plausible for a power car to swap onto a NL set if need be and vice vesa but I think EMT will try and keep the DY and NL sets as two as much as possible.

@LowLevel There are currently no weekend diagrams for the DY sets.

 

[43055]

I have been told that this should be a GC HST running as a test run today.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O89893/2018/04/13/advanced

 

[mikestone1952]

Has anyone seen diagrams for these ex-GC sets - one appears to arrive at Nottingham at 12.05 and disappear into thin air according to Real Time Trains.

 

[cactustwirly]

Yes

Diagram 1 is:
1C92 0730 DBY - STP 0927
1D24 1005 STP - NOT 1203

Diagram 2:
1C52 1359 SHF - STP 1624
1M56 1650 STP - COR 1755
1P71 1837 COR - STP 1956
1F73 2031 STP - DBY 2215

STP = London St Pancras
SHF = Sheffield
COR = Corby
DBY = Derby
NOT = Nottingham

The 1203 arrival at Nottingham runs ECS to Etches Park.

 

[XCTurbostar]

No doubt the powercars will end up being swapped onto other sets in about no time at all.

 

[43096]

Yes

Diagram 1 is:
1C92 0730 DBY - STP 0927
1D24 1005 STP - NOT 1203

Diagram 2:
1C52 1359 SHF - STP 1624
1M56 1650 STP - COR 1755
1P71 1837 COR - STP 1956
1F73 2031 STP - DBY 2215

STP = London St Pancras
SHF = Sheffield
COR = Corby
DBY = Derby
NOT = Nottingham

The 1203 arrival at Nottingham runs ECS to Etches Park.

I'm not understanding why they need three sets to resource this. In fact, they only need one - 1D24 could easily go ECS to Sheffield to form 1C52.

 

[The_Engineer]

I'm not understanding why they need three sets to resource this. In fact, they only need one - 1D24 could easily go ECS to Sheffield to form 1C52.

Things are not so easy - you have maintenance, fuelling and crewing to consider. Plus having the sets in the right place for Monday.

 

[richa2002]

Yes

Diagram 1 is:
1C92 0730 DBY - STP 0927
1D24 1005 STP - NOT 1203

Diagram 2:
1C52 1359 SHF - STP 1624
1M56 1650 STP - COR 1755
1P71 1837 COR - STP 1956
1F73 2031 STP - DBY 2215

STP = London St Pancras
SHF = Sheffield
COR = Corby
DBY = Derby
NOT = Nottingham

The 1203 arrival at Nottingham runs ECS to Etches Park.

This fails to mention the 1945 NOT - STP & 2200 STP - NOT for diagram 1.

 

[43055]

Some pictures from the test run the other Friday showing 43467, 43468 and a white mk3. The other side of 43468 is fully branded. Half of the interior seating has been removed but non have been replaced yet with new seats.

 

[cactustwirly]

This fails to mention the 1945 NOT - STP & 2200 STP - NOT for diagram 1.

I could be wrong but that looks like a 222 diagram.

 

[Mugby]

What is the purpose of the white colour, is it primer?

 

[cactustwirly]

What is the purpose of the white colour, is it primer?

Looks like the base colour, where EMT vinyls will be applied over the top of.

 

[mic505]

Why didn't EMT recall back two of their own 125mph sets from VTEC? Assuming VTEC are replace their HST sets first, with the Class 800/801's from the December 2018 timetable. In my view EMT would have 11 HST sets (originally) without having to acquire those from GC. Ex-GC sets could have been redeployed elsewhere or even PRM'd to other TOC's.

 

[Domh245]

Because
a) the capacity they add is needed from this May's timetable change, and the VTEC fleets will be needed beyond that
b) the GC sets are shortened sets and will perform more like a 222 than a 2+8 HST, which is convenient as it is the 222 diagrams that need reworking as a result of the timetable changes.

 

[cactustwirly]

Why didn't EMT recall back two of their own 125mph sets from VTEC? Assuming VTEC are replace their HST sets first, with the Class 800/801's from the December 2018 timetable. In my view EMT would have 11 HST sets (originally) without having to acquire those from GC. Ex-GC sets could have been redeployed elsewhere or even PRM'd to other TOC's.

Because they are no longer EMT's to recall.

 

[nat67]

Because
a) the capacity they add is needed from this May's timetable change, and the VTEC fleets will be needed beyond that
b) the GC sets are shortened sets and will perform more like a 222 than a 2+8 HST, which is convenient as it is the 222 diagrams that need reworking as a result of the timetable changes.

What would have made more sense if not having the GC ones they could have had some of the off lease GWR ones that they used to use. But then again they wouldn't due to shortage of services.

 

[Domh245]

Which off lease ones though. The only off lease ones at the moment are those being converted for use with Scotrail, or for reuse with GWR. Do also remember that GC wanted to get rid of their HSTs for 180s and EMT snapped them up, rather than it being the other way around.

 

[nat67]

The diagrams make no sense as they would have time to run it ECS to Sheffield and go to Etches Park for servicing. Half 12 at Etches park leave at 1315 and get there in time for 1359 maybe.

 

[DenmarkRail]

Some pictures from the test run the other Friday showing 43467, 43468 and a white mk3. The other side of 43468 is fully branded. Half of the interior seating has been removed but non have been replaced yet with new seats.
View attachment 45734 View attachment 45735 View attachment 45736 View attachment 45737

If that power car (the branded one) is the final livery, then they've done a good revamp

 

[Domh245]

If that power car (the branded one) is the final livery, then they've done a good revamp

Indeed it is. It made it's debut back in February as discussed in this very thread

 

[Mugby]

Well, apart from having buffers, they'll certainly be instantly recognisable from the rest of the HST fleet.

I'll be interested to see what type of seating they get or whether the GC seating will be retained. I do hope they won't be getting those claustrophobic style seats as fitted in EMT's Class 158s.

 

[hexagon789]

Well, apart from having buffers, they'll certainly be instantly recognisable from the rest of the HST fleet.

I'll be interested to see what type of seating they get or whether the GC seating will be retained. I do hope they won't be getting those claustrophobic style seats as fitted in EMT's Class 158s.

Complete guess, but I would be thought that they would reseat them to provide the same capacities as their other Mk3 vehicles and possibly change the declassified TF (Trailer Firsts) to perhaps a composite to give similar seating capacities to the 7-car Meridians.

 

[Domh245]

Given that they need them in service in just under a month, I'd expect that to recover the seats and that's about it.

 

[43055]

Complete guess, but I would be thought that they would reseat them to provide the same capacities as their other Mk3 vehicles and possibly change the declassified TF (Trailer Firsts) to perhaps a composite to give similar seating capacities to the 7-car Meridians.

The formation is changing as I think the first class coach will have the disabled toilet and the rest including buffet will be standard on the basis that standard class wheelchair users can be upgraded.

Given that they need them in service in just under a month, I'd expect that to recover the seats and that's about it.

I believe that will be the case considering non of the coaches have internally been refurbished yet.

There is 2 more white coaches over at the RTC tonight in which one has no door at one end.

 

[hexagon789]

The formation is changing as I think the first class coach will have the disabled toilet

Which makes sense as that's the current arrangement on their HSTs.

and the rest including buffet will be standard on the basis that standard class wheelchair users can be upgraded.

Does that include the declassified TFs, if not then that doesn't give much First Class seating (47 seats)? That was why I was thinking they might introduce a Composite.

 

[43055]

Which makes sense as that's the current arrangement on their HSTs.


Does that include the declassified TFs, if not then that doesn't give much First Class seating (47 seats)? That was why I was thinking they might introduce a Composite.

Yes I believe it will be TFD, TRSB, TS, TS, TS, TS

A 5 car 222 has 50 first class so it would be similar to them in that respect as they are being used on the 4/5 car diagrams. By my calculations with no composite there will be 289 seats for standard class which is more about 100 more than a 5 car 222 and 50 more than a 7 car 222.

 

[hexagon789]

Yes I believe it will be TFD, TRSB, TS, TS, TS, TS

A 5 car 222 has 50 first class so it would be similar to them in that respect as they are being used on the 4/5 car diagrams. By my calculations with no composite there will be 289 seats for standard class which is more about 100 more than a 5 car 222 and 50 more than a 7 car 222.

So arguably more of a capacity-buster than a direct Meridian substitute then. I take it that the TSD are being re-seated to TFD presumably?

 

[43055]

So arguably more of a capacity-buster than a direct Meridian substitute then. I take it that the TSD are being re-seated to TFD presumably?

I would presume so as that is the easier thing to do and the opposite for the TF's to TS's

 

[hexagon789]

I would presume so as that is the easier thing to do and the opposite for the TF's to TS's

It would be very costly to put in new Disabled bogs into a TF than just swap the seating. Anyword as to the seat type, just the existing ones re-used?

Be nice to see them all tarted-up in the newer livery too the power cars look a treat already.

 

[43096]

Yes I believe it will be TFD, TRSB, TS, TS, TS, TS

So why has it been reported that EMT are swapping the TRSBs in these sets for ex-GWR TRFBs?