There seems to be a huge song and dance about posting (already widely shared) control logs, especially ones which aren’t showing very much info at all as per here, but for as long as I can remember TOPS info (loco pool, E3, wagon enquiries etc) has been openly posted online without people frothing at the mouth.
In post #9, the third photo shows three wagons towards the back of the train in place and the ballast not disturbed. So the point of derailment seems to be where the ballast in the four foot changes to metal plate, presumably where the track starts to pass over the bridge.
Indeed they do.....there are some very funny ones as well
Apologies if you’ve already got a reply - not checked the entire thread yet but the parliamentary train ran successfully on Saturday in both directions; 156409 operated it.
I did witness 3 laden wagons being removed by a GBRf 66 yesterday late afternoon, presumably from the rear of the rake?
There seems to be a huge song and dance about posting (already widely shared) control logs, especially ones which aren’t showing very much info at all as per here, but for as long as I can remember TOPS info (loco pool, E3, wagon enquiries etc) has been openly posted online without people frothing at the mouth.
I wouldn’t worry yourself over things you have zero control over, it’s not good for your health
That's the issue though. Yes, in this case that person hasn't leaked any personal information but there is an absolute ton of personal information in CCIL, and if people are routinely leaking information from industry internal sources going against the already quite clear rules relating to accessing the information in the first place, there's no guarantee that they will take a suitably diligent approach to removing personal info when they do so.
Log now 'locked' !
I often wonder this when I see photographs from linesode photographers of the Royal Train! Whilst the movements of senior Royals can sometimes be predicted, the Royal Train is apparently well hidden from various online tracking systems, and only those who signal and control it should know of its whereabouts.
Royal train where abouts (when it runs) was always well known well before the advent of online tracking and even CCIL (Control Centre Incident Log)
It isn’t hidden from the signalling data feeds (as it would simply be so difficult to do) so the live signalling maps (Open Train Times, Traksy, Railcam, Freightmaster etc) will all show the location of the Royal Train. You do, of course, have to know what you’re looking out for…
I think most of the time people get lucky. They are generally already out there filming/ photographing trains (as it usually uses one of the busy mainlines) I think.
I think this is often overlooked and people quote control logs as if they are gospel , all the log actually does is record the information provided to control as it comes in.
The amateur video below includes drone footage of the train shot on the day of the derailment. There appear to be nine derailed wagons, with five still on the rails behind them. The rearmost derailed vehicle is on the bridge over Sidmouth Street, so it appears that was the site of the initial derailment, with momentum causing the preceding eight derailed vehicles to continue along the ballast before stopping.
Or alternatively was the point where a vehicle had run to in a derailed condition before causing track damage, or……..
This is how it ran today, reversing in the loop east of Guide Bridge:
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Driver may have been jolted forward due to the brake pipes braking on the wagons.
The log extract we saw included reports by the driver and permanent way staff. So there may have been other people in the vicinity.
I was under impression it was a member of public walking under the bridge, hit by falling debris.
How would you do it - the tops are quite tight and the sides rather flimsy for swinging a grab around, so it would be a slow job that way.
I cannot say how the logistics is working up there, I just know that they sent a light engine up there in the morning and it came back with loaded engineers wagons, the same type often seen on track relays and in each wagon was crushed lime stone heading back to Crewe