Frequently Requested Diagrams Discussion & Updates

[SprinterMan]

Hello all, I have recently taken over management of the new "Frequently Requested Diagrams" thread, so if anyone has any requests for diagrams to be added, please suggest them here

If anyone can confirm or correct some of the current diagrams in the thread, I would be very grateful:

Is the FGW Class 180 diagram list correct?

Is the LM Class 150 diagram list correct?

Does anyone have the new XC HST weekend diagrams now summer is over?

Does anyone know the status of the fife circle Class 67 services, are both operating or is one suspended?

Adam

 

[TEW]

Some slight changes to the FGW 180 diagrams again.

5N04 0440 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0504
1W10 0545 London Paddington Worcester Foregate Street 0816
1P35 0826 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 1100
1W29 1120 London Paddington Great Malvern 1356
5P57 1400 Great Malvern Great Malvern 1421
1P57 1426 Great Malvern London Paddington 1700
1D53 1718 London Paddington Oxford 1845
5D53 1845 Oxford Oxford Down Carriage Sidings 1847
5P75 1925 Oxford Down Carriage Sidings Oxford 1927
1P75 1931 Oxford London Paddington 2030
5P75 2040 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2101

5N04 0440 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0504
2N04 0517 London Paddington Oxford 0702
5N04 0702 Oxford Oxford Down Carriage Sidings 0704
5P22 0717 Oxford Down Carriage Sidings Oxford 0719
1P22 0721 Oxford London Paddington 0858
1W21 0921 London Paddington Worcester Foregate Street 1141
1P47 1206 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 1430
1W47 1552 London Paddington Worcester Shrub Hill 1809
5P79 1812 Worcester Shrub Hill Worcester Foregate Street 1840
1P79 1849 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 2129
5P79 2206 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2224

5P01 0413 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0426
3R01 0500 London Paddington Reading 0534
1P01 0559 Reading London Paddington 0636
1W12 0648 London Paddington Great Malvern 0933
5P40 0932 Great Malvern Great Malvern 0943
1P40 0954 Great Malvern London Paddington 1230
1W41 1421 London Paddington Worcester Foregate Street 1644
5P73 1649 Worcester Foregate Street Worcester Foregate Street 1716
1P73 1728 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 2006
5P75 2040 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2101

5P01 0413 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0426
3K23 0446 London Paddington Newbury 0551
1K23 0609 Newbury London Paddington 0714
1D13 0721 London Paddington Oxford 0819
5D13 0820 Oxford Oxford Down Carriage Sidings 0822
5P27 0854 Oxford Down Carriage Sidings Oxford 0856
1P27 0901 Oxford London Paddington 1012
5P27 1022 London Paddington Old Oak Common 1040
5W32 1135 Old Oak Common London Paddington 1153
1W32 1221 London Paddington Great Malvern 1510
5Y94 1512 Great Malvern Great Malvern 1530
2Y94 1532 Great Malvern Didcot Parkway 1703
2E95 1715 Didcot Parkway Great Malvern 1924
5P83 1926 Great Malvern Great Malvern 1937
1P83 1944 Great Malvern London Paddington 2241
5P83 2251 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2309

 

[ValleyLines142]

I think the Virgin Pendolino diagrams on the Birmingham to Edinburgh/Glasgow route and the Voyagers on the Euston to Birmingham diagrams would be good!

 

[Rich McLean]

XC Winter Saturdays

1V44 06:00 Leeds-Plymouth
1V54 06:32 Dundee-Plymouth

1S51 12:24 Plymouth - Glasgow
1E73 17:24 Plymouth - Leeds

XC Winter Sundays

1V48 0810 Leeds-Plymouth
1V50 0900 Leeds-Plymouth
1V56 0908 Edinburgh Waverly-Plymouth

1S55 1424 Plymouth-Edinburgh Waverly (voyager vice HST this weekend)
1E63 1524 Plymouth-York
1E75 1824 Plymouth-Leeds


During engineering works, it changes quite a bit on a Sunday. This weekend, trains are diverting via Swindon, so once they reach Plymouth, they will be on the diagram, 1 hour later, and at New Street, it will be the diagrams 2 hours later etc.

 

[Eagle]

During engineering works, it changes quite a bit on a Sunday. This weekend, trains are diverting via Swindon, so once they reach Plymouth, they will be on the diagram, 1 hour later, and at New Street, it will be the diagrams 2 hours later etc.

Not Swindon, it's via Bath and Westbury (it's FGW London to Devon and Cornwall that are going via Swindon).

 

[Rich McLean]

Not Swindon, it's via Bath and Westbury (it's FGW London to Devon and Cornwall that are going via Swindon).

Ahh I see.

Also it seems a XC HST will stable at Long Rock Oovernight, so that could be on 1S43 on Monday, or stable at Long Rock for the week

EDIT: Scrap that, it will be a Voyager vice HST

 

[TEW]

The diagrams are always chopping and changing at weekends because of engineering works, generally they'll only work diagrams the start at finish in the north. In the past it used to be fairly common to get sets stabling at Laira, and even Long Rock on occasion, on a Saturday night, but it doesn't seem to happen any more in the Winter.

 

[SprinterMan]

Some slight changes to the FGW 180 diagrams again.

5N04 0440 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0504
1W10 0545 London Paddington Worcester Foregate Street 0816
1P35 0826 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 1100
1W29 1120 London Paddington Great Malvern 1356
5P57 1400 Great Malvern Great Malvern 1421
1P57 1426 Great Malvern London Paddington 1700
1D53 1718 London Paddington Oxford 1845
5D53 1845 Oxford Oxford Down Carriage Sidings 1847
5P75 1925 Oxford Down Carriage Sidings Oxford 1927
1P75 1931 Oxford London Paddington 2030
5P75 2040 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2101

5N04 0440 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0504
2N04 0517 London Paddington Oxford 0702
5N04 0702 Oxford Oxford Down Carriage Sidings 0704
5P22 0717 Oxford Down Carriage Sidings Oxford 0719
1P22 0721 Oxford London Paddington 0858
1W21 0921 London Paddington Worcester Foregate Street 1141
1P47 1206 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 1430
1W47 1552 London Paddington Worcester Shrub Hill 1809
5P79 1812 Worcester Shrub Hill Worcester Foregate Street 1840
1P79 1849 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 2129
5P79 2206 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2224

5P01 0413 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0426
3R01 0500 London Paddington Reading 0534
1P01 0559 Reading London Paddington 0636
1W12 0648 London Paddington Great Malvern 0933
5P40 0932 Great Malvern Great Malvern 0943
1P40 0954 Great Malvern London Paddington 1230
1W41 1421 London Paddington Worcester Foregate Street 1644
5P73 1649 Worcester Foregate Street Worcester Foregate Street 1716
1P73 1728 Worcester Foregate Street London Paddington 2006
5P75 2040 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2101

5P01 0413 Old Oak Common London Paddington 0426
3K23 0446 London Paddington Newbury 0551
1K23 0609 Newbury London Paddington 0714
1D13 0721 London Paddington Oxford 0819
5D13 0820 Oxford Oxford Down Carriage Sidings 0822
5P27 0854 Oxford Down Carriage Sidings Oxford 0856
1P27 0901 Oxford London Paddington 1012
5P27 1022 London Paddington Old Oak Common 1040
5W32 1135 Old Oak Common London Paddington 1153
1W32 1221 London Paddington Great Malvern 1510
5Y94 1512 Great Malvern Great Malvern 1530
2Y94 1532 Great Malvern Didcot Parkway 1703
2E95 1715 Didcot Parkway Great Malvern 1924
5P83 1926 Great Malvern Great Malvern 1937
1P83 1944 Great Malvern London Paddington 2241
5P83 2251 London Paddington Old Oak Common 2309

XC Winter Saturdays

1V44 06:00 Leeds-Plymouth
1V54 06:32 Dundee-Plymouth

1S51 12:24 Plymouth - Glasgow
1E73 17:24 Plymouth - Leeds

XC Winter Sundays

1V48 0810 Leeds-Plymouth
1V50 0900 Leeds-Plymouth
1V56 0908 Edinburgh Waverly-Plymouth

1S55 1424 Plymouth-Edinburgh Waverly (voyager vice HST this weekend)
1E63 1524 Plymouth-York
1E75 1824 Plymouth-Leeds


During engineering works, it changes quite a bit on a Sunday. This weekend, trains are diverting via Swindon, so once they reach Plymouth, they will be on the diagram, 1 hour later, and at New Street, it will be the diagrams 2 hours later etc.

Thank you very much indeed for both of these, very helpful

Does anyone have any idea about the ScotRail 67 situation or whether the LM 150 diagram is correct?

I think the Virgin Pendolino diagrams on the Birmingham to Edinburgh/Glasgow route and the Voyagers on the Euston to Birmingham diagrams would be good!

I won't be doing that one, as these two routes are being merged into through services in a couple of months, and generally you can check on Open Train Times as most Voyager services are timed for a DMU at 125mph and most Pendolino service are timed for a Class 390. Also, it is a very lot of services to sift through.

Adam

 

[sonic2009]

I wouldn't be sure the LM diagram 150 is correct either, I caught the 1M57 0843 Bromsgrove to Birmingham this morning (0734 from Hereford) and it was 153+150 coupled together.

From looking at realtimetrains the stock runs empty to Tyseley as 5M57.

The 0949 Hereford is formed from a inbound working from Great Malvern, which arrives into Birmingham around 0940.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm sure that Worcester LMD only has 1 150 and not 2.

 

[87015]

I wouldn't be sure the LM diagram 150 is correct either, I caught the 1M57 0843 Bromsgrove to Birmingham this morning (0734 from Hereford) and it was 153+150 coupled together.

From looking at realtimetrains the stock runs empty to Tyseley as 5M57.

The 0949 Hereford is formed from a inbound working from Great Malvern, which arrives into Birmingham around 0940.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm sure that Worcester LMD only has 1 150 and not 2.

All looks as booked to me, 150 comes straight back from TS for the 10.49 ex NS.

 

[ValleyLines142]

I won't be doing that one, as these two routes are being merged into through services in a couple of months, and generally you can check on Open Train Times as most Voyager services are timed for a DMU at 125mph and most Pendolino service are timed for a Class 390. Also, it is a very lot of services to sift through.

Fair enough. Just a thought though, if the two routes are being merged together, does that mean the current London to Glasgow services, which currently take four and a half hours, will be calling additionally at most stations up to Birmingham also, as well as New Street itself? There is currently two or three trains which run right through, but they take six and a half hours instead of four and a half hours!! If this is the case, that won't be popular!!

 

[DarloRich]

I wouldn't be sure the LM diagram 150 is correct either, I caught the 1M57 0843 Bromsgrove to Birmingham this morning (0734 from Hereford) and it was 153+150 coupled together.

From looking at realtimetrains the stock runs empty to Tyseley as 5M57.

The 0949 Hereford is formed from a inbound working from Great Malvern, which arrives into Birmingham around 0940.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm sure that Worcester LMD only has 1 150 and not 2.

Well unless something goes well up the spout the weekdays 1731 off Bletchley to Bedford is always a 150. Using that you should be able to count back and build up the diagram for the day on the Marston Vale line. On a Saturday the 150 ruins in the weekday diagram of the 153.

bear in mind 1 LM 150 is away having an internal refurb so they might not appear to often on routes other than the Marston Vale for a while.

 

[Class172]

I wasn't aware the LM 150s were having an interior refurb. Anyone got more details on this and what it entails?

 

[DarloRich]

twitter details here: https://twitter.com/LondonMidland/status/382543438593273857/photo/1

 

[swt_passenger]

Fair enough. Just a thought though, if the two routes are being merged together, does that mean the current London to Glasgow services, which currently take four and a half hours, will be calling additionally at most stations up to Birmingham also, as well as New Street itself? There is currently two or three trains which run right through, but they take six and a half hours instead of four and a half hours!! If this is the case, that won't be popular!!

The new services are combinations of the existing Euston to Wolverhampton and existing New St to Scotland. They do not replace the normal Euston to Glasgow services via the Trent Valley. They've been discussed at length in a relevant thread already somewhere on the forum: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84458

 

[PHILIPE]

I wasn't aware the LM 150s were having an interior refurb. Anyone got more details on this and what it entails?

In addition to reply you have already recieved, please refer to thread on "Traction and Rolling Stock" Board.

 

[Starmill]

The new services are combinations of the existing Euston to Wolverhampton and existing New St to Scotland. They do not replace the normal Euston to Glasgow services via the Trent Valley. They've been discussed at length in a relevant thread already somewhere on the forum: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84458

Presumably these are still advertised as 'Wolverhampton' at Euston to stop passengers for Scotland getting on them?

 

[swt_passenger]

Presumably these are still advertised as 'Wolverhampton' at Euston to stop passengers for Scotland getting on them?

No idea, but it obviously makes sense to describe them differently to the TV services - it might be covered in one of the other ongoing threads about these changes...

 

[Rich McLean]

Just a word of warning the XC HST diagrams will be up the spout for a while.

Tomorow, 0600 Leeds- Plymouth and the 1224 Plymouth Glasgow Central will be Voyager vice HST.

The other Thursday diagram will be a HST as usual.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Just a word of warning the XC HST diagrams will be up the spout for a while.

Tomorow, 0600 Leeds- Plymouth and the 1224 Plymouth Glasgow Central will be Voyager vice HST.

The other Thursday diagram will be a HST as usual.

Why is this?

 

[Rich McLean]

Why is this?

Power car failures. To be more specific, PERFs, TM failures and wheel flats when XC03 slipped to a stand on Dainton Bank and created a firework display

Anyway, XC02 ran to NL from EC yesterday, and the normal diagrams were operated.

http://www.hstgen.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=2239&start=2130

Everything gets updated there

 

[Blindtraveler]

at the Scottish end the Euston VTs are shown as Eustion, or occasionally Eustion Via Birmingham. Next time the main frequantly asked diagrams are updated the Scotrail 158 vice 170 to/from Edinburgh and Glasgow and Inverness should be included, will try to get these.↲

 

[SprinterMan]

at the Scottish end the Euston VTs are shown as Eustion, or occasionally Eustion Via Birmingham. Next time the main frequantly asked diagrams are updated the Scotrail 158 vice 170 to/from Edinburgh and Glasgow and Inverness should be included, will try to get these.↲

If anyone has any diagrams, I will happily add them to the list

Adam

 

[Deepgreen]

Apologies if I have overlooked something obvious, but I want to check the December timetable revision diagrams for Southern's class 377s (specifically the 0830 Redhill to London Bridge (from Horsham), which is only 4 coaches at present!).

Any advice, please?

Thanks.

 

[SprinterMan]

Hello all,
I have started updating the thread for the Winter timetable change, so if anyone has any updates, especially XC HSTs, Chiltern 67s and FGW 180s or anything else not updated, please post them here.

Adam

 

[TEW]

Just 2 very minor changes for the FGW 180s.

2N04 PAD 0517 - OXF 0702 now had headcode 2N06

1K23 NBY 0609 - PAD 0714 now arrives at Paddington at 0712

 

[SprinterMan]

Just 2 very minor changes for the FGW 180s.

2N04 PAD 0517 - OXF 0702 now had headcode 2N06

1K23 NBY 0609 - PAD 0714 now arrives at Paddington at 0712

Thank you very much

Just to confirm, this is correct, yes:

1P01 RDG 0559 - PAD 0636
1K23 NBY 0609 - PAD 0712
1P22 OXF 0721 - PAD 0858
1P27 OXF 0901 - PAD 1012
1P35 WOF 0826 - PAD 1100
1P40 GMV 0954 - PAD 1230
1P47 WOF 1206 - PAD 1430
1P57 GMV 1426 - PAD 1700
2Y94 GMV 1532 - DID 1703
1P73 WOF 1728 - PAD 2006
1P75 OXF 1931 - PAD 2030
1P79 WOF 1849 - PAD 2129
1P83 GMV 1944 - PAD 2241

2N06 PAD 0517 - OXF 0702
1W10 PAD 0545 - WOF 0816
1W12 PAD 0648 - GMV 0933
1D13 PAD 0721 - OXF 0819
1W21 PAD 0921 - WOF 1141
1W29 PAD 1120 - GMV 1356
1W32 PAD 1221 - GMV 1510
1W41 PAD 1421 - WOF 1644
1W47 PAD 1552 - WOS 1809
2E95 DID 1715 - GMV 1924
1D53 PAD 1718 - OXF 1845

Adam

 

[TEW]

Yep, looks like it to me.

 

[SprinterMan]

The eve of the timetable change is upon us, and I still need to update the following entries:

XC HST
GC HST
ScotRail 67
LM 150
LM 321

Any help would be very much appreciated.
Kind regards, Adam

 

[Blindtraveler]

Just a quick question for anyone, are all the Edinburgh>Euston Via Birminghams 390 worked or are some still 221s?