Frequently Requested Diagrams Discussion & Updates

[D6975]

These are the revised Cumbrian diagrams as far as I can tell.

Mon-Fri

Diagram 1
2x68 Monday Wednesday Friday
37 Tuesday Thursday

2C32 CAR 0515 - BIF 0803a / 0804d - PRE 0937
2C47 PRE 1003 - BIF 1133
2C41 BIF 1437 - CAR 1728
2C42 CAR 1737 - BIF 2031

Diagram 2
37 Monday Wednesday Friday
2x68 Tuesday Thursday

2C33 BIF 0546 - CAR 0833
2C40 CAR 0842 - BIF 1130
2C49 BIF 1140 - CAR 1426
2C34 CAR 1435 - BIF 1723
2C47 BIF 1731 - CAR 2031

Saturday
Diagram 1
37

2C32 CAR 0515 - BIF 0803
2C41 BIF 0845 - CAR 1135
2C48 CAR 1156 - BIF 1449a / 1455d - LAN 1608
2C31 LAN 1731 - BIF 1840

Diagram 2
2x68

2C33 BIF 0546 - CAR 0833
2C40 CAR 0842 - BIF 1130
2C45 BIF 1138 - CAR 1424
2C34 CAR 1433 - BIF 1723
2C47 BIF 1732 - CAR 2029

 

[SprinterMan]

These are the revised Cumbrian diagrams as far as I can tell.

Mon-Fri

Diagram 1
2x68 Monday Wednesday Friday
37 Tuesday Thursday

2C32 CAR 0515 - BIF 0803a / 0804d - PRE 0937
2C47 PRE 1003 - BIF 1133
2C41 BIF 1437 - CAR 1728
2C42 CAR 1737 - BIF 2031

Diagram 2
37 Monday Wednesday Friday
2x68 Tuesday Thursday

2C33 BIF 0546 - CAR 0833
2C40 CAR 0842 - BIF 1130
2C49 BIF 1140 - CAR 1426
2C34 CAR 1435 - BIF 1723
2C47 BIF 1731 - CAR 2031

Saturday
Diagram 1
37

2C32 CAR 0515 - BIF 0803
2C41 BIF 0845 - CAR 1135
2C48 CAR 1156 - BIF 1449a / 1455d - LAN 1608
2C31 LAN 1731 - BIF 1840

Diagram 2
2x68

2C33 BIF 0546 - CAR 0833
2C40 CAR 0842 - BIF 1130
2C45 BIF 1138 - CAR 1424
2C34 CAR 1433 - BIF 1723
2C47 BIF 1732 - CAR 2029

Brilliant, thank you

 

[Triumph]

Good morning
Would it possible to post the diagrams for ThFO/SO/SUN TPE 185's that work to and from Scotland please.
Thank you.

 

[PHILIPE]

Good morning
Would it possible to post the diagrams for ThFO/SO/SUN TPE 185's that work to and from Scotland please.
Thank you.

They can only be posted if somebody on the Forum knows what they are so that the member who looks after the thread can post them..

 

[MichaelWells]

According to the new Northern Timetable these are the new Northern Loco Hauled Diagrams

MTWThFO
Diagram 1
2C40 06:16 CAR-BIF 08:54
2C45 09:18 BIF-CAR 11:57
2C52 12:08 CAR-BIF 14:41
2C59 14:52 BIF-CAR 17:30
2C40 17:45 CAR-BIF 20:37

Diagram 2
2C35 05:50 BIF-CAR 08:42
2C46 09:03 CAR-BIF 11:45
2C33 15:31 BIF-CAR 18:11

SaO
Diagram 1
2C40 06:16 CAR-BIF 08:54
2C45 09:02 BIF-CAR 11:51
2C52 12:08 CAR-BIF 14:41
2C59 14:52 BIF-CAR 17:30
2C40 17:45 CAR-BIF 20:37

Diagram 2
2C35 05:50 BIF-CAR 08:42
2C46 08:51 CAR-BIF 11:41
2C33 15:31 BIF-CAR 18:14

 

[LT3001]

GWR Summer Saturday Newquay HST

1C71 0857 Plymouth - Newquay 1047
1A86 1130 Newquay - London Paddington 1632

1C80 1136 London Paddington - Newquay 1642
1A97 1728 Newquay - London Paddington 2241

GWR Summer Saturday Pembroke Dock HST

1B15 0845 London Paddington - Pembroke Dock 1411
1L90 1455 Pembroke Dock - London Paddington 2030

1B01 0723 Swansea - Pembroke Dock 0944
1L62 1001 Pembroke Dock - London Paddington 1531

 

[LT3001]

Great Western Railway Turbo Thames Valley stopping services

2G02 0542 London Paddington to Greenford
2R60 1759 London Paddington to Reading

2P99 2006 Banbury to London Paddington
2G65 2217 Greenford to London Paddington

 

[Class 466]

Southeastern Class 465s to Dover from May 2018:

Weekdays:

Diagram 1: (465/9 + 466)

2K16 0842 Victoria- Dover Priory
2K76 1052 Dover Priory- Victoria


Diagram 2: (465/9 + 466)

2K20 0942 Victoria- Dover Priory
2K80 1152 Dover Priory- Victoria


Diagram 3: (465/9 + 466)

2K24 1042 Victoria- Dover Priory
2K84 1252 Dover Priory- Victoria

Saturdays:

Diagram 1: (465/9)

2K12 0842 Victoria- Dover Priory
2K70 1052 Dover Priory - Victoria
2K22 1342 Victoria- Dover Priory
2K80 1552 Dover Priory- Victoria
2K32 1842 Victoria- Dover Priory
2K54 2105 Dover Priory- Victoria

 

[SWTrainspottin]

GWR Summer Saturday Newquay HST

1C71 0857 Plymouth - Newquay 1047
1A86 1130 Newquay - London Paddington 1632

1C80 1136 London Paddington - Newquay 1642
1A97 1728 Newquay - London Paddington 2241

GWR Summer Saturday Pembroke Dock HST

1B15 0845 London Paddington - Pembroke Dock 1411
1L90 1455 Pembroke Dock - London Paddington 2030

1B01 0723 Swansea - Pembroke Dock 0944
1L62 1001 Pembroke Dock - London Paddington 1531

Don't forget, HSTs to Newquay operate everyday in the summer too.

Sunday
1C77 0957 London Paddington - Newquay 1513
1A94 1559 Newquay - London Paddington 2127

Monday to Friday (from 2 July)
1C74 0903 London Paddington - Newquay 1418
1A96 1507 Newquay - London Paddington 2036

 

[nat67]

On the GWR diagrams thread would it be possible to put all the HST diagrams on rather than the IET diagrams.
Cheers Nat.

 

[SprinterMan]

Hello all,
As some of you may have noticed, the update for the summer timetable is currently in progress. If anyone has any information on Chiltern loco-hauled diagrams, XC HST diagrams, ScotRail loco-hauled diagrams etc. this would be greatly appreciated. Concerning the GWR entry, 166s out of Bristol and 800s have now been removed, as they are now standard stock. I am reluctant to include 802 diagrams as they are going to be in a state of flux while the introductions take place, and with the best will in the world they are no different from 800s save the braking resistors. HSTGTi diagrams will be included when finalised and full roll-out has taken place. Do you consider this correct? All opinions welcome.
Kind Regards, Adam

 

[43055]

Hello all,
As some of you may have noticed, the update for the summer timetable is currently in progress. If anyone has any information on Chiltern loco-hauled diagrams, XC HST diagrams, ScotRail loco-hauled diagrams etc. this would be greatly appreciated. Concerning the GWR entry, 166s out of Bristol and 800s have now been removed, as they are now standard stock. I am reluctant to include 802 diagrams as they are going to be in a state of flux while the introductions take place, and with the best will in the world they are no different from 800s save the braking resistors. HSTGTi diagrams will be included when finalised and full roll-out has taken place. Do you consider this correct? All opinions welcome.
Kind Regards, Adam

This might help you with the XC HST's

125 Group is still showing diagrams from last summer which looks like it will be the same before the 22nd July. These details are in the link below:
http://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/HST-Diags-XC.pdf

From the 22nd July I have used RTT to have the following but but these may need to be confirmed first at a later date.

Monday to Friday
1V44 0544 LDS - PLY, 1S52 1225 PLY - EDB
1V46 0616 LDS - PLY, 1E56 1325 PLY - NCL (paths to start and end at Heaton Monday night to Friday morning, to EC Friday evening, runs Monday to Friday not Monday only)
1V52 0700 EDB - PLY, 1E68 1625 PLY - YRK
1V54 0935 NCL - PLY, 1E73 1725 PLY - LDS (Fridays only morning ecs from EC)

Saturdays

1V44 0549 LDS - PGN, 1S52 1235 PGN - EDB
1V48 0735 YRK - PNZ, 1E75 1625 PNZ - LDS
1V52 0700 EDB - PGN, 1E68 1637 PGN - YRK

Sundays

1V48 0810 LDS - PLY, 1E55 1425 PLY - LDS
1V50 0900 LDS - PLY, 1E63 1524 PLY - LDS

Many thanks
Thomas

 

[221129]

This might help you with the XC HST's

125 Group is still showing diagrams from last summer which looks like it will be the same before the 22nd July. These details are in the link below:
http://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/HST-Diags-XC.pdf

From the 22nd July I have used RTT to have the following but but these may need to be confirmed first at a later date.

Monday to Friday
1V44 0544 LDS - PLY, 1S52 1225 PLY - EDB
1V46 0616 LDS - PLY, 1E56 1325 PLY - NCL (paths to start and end at Heaton Monday night to Friday morning, to EC Friday evening, runs Monday to Friday not Monday only)
1V52 0700 EDB - PLY, 1E68 1625 PLY - YRK
1V54 0935 NCL - PLY, 1E73 1725 PLY - LDS (Fridays only morning ecs from EC)

Saturdays

1V44 0549 LDS - PGN, 1S52 1235 PGN - EDB
1V48 0735 YRK - PNZ, 1E75 1625 PNZ - LDS
1V52 0700 EDB - PGN, 1E68 1637 PGN - YRK

Sundays

1V48 0810 LDS - PLY, 1E55 1425 PLY - LDS
1V50 0900 LDS - PLY, 1E63 1524 PLY - LDS

Many thanks
Thomas

This is incorrect. I'll provide further info later on.

 

[43055]

This is incorrect. I'll provide further info later on.

Oh ok. Thanks for confirming that it is incorrect, is this for both or just when Derby remodeling is on? Hopefully I will be able to catch one when I have to go to Bristol for work a few times over the summer.

 

[221129]

Oh ok. Thanks for confirming that it is incorrect, is this for both or just when Derby remodeling is on? Hopefully I will be able to catch one when I have to go to Bristol for work a few times over the summer.

Both the Derby diagrams haven't been confirmed yet. Nor have summer Saturday's from the time table change (if they have they haven't been shared within the company)

 

[700007]

Here's some extra diagrams that may be of some interest to people:

London Overground :
Class 172 to Willesden Junction
Monday to Fridays only

2J96 0811 BKG - 0906 WIJ*

BKG - Barking
WIJ - Willesden Junction

*The above service will only run until when the 710s enter service. It will no longer run after they enter service, so as a result it's not been included in the printed timetable and it may not make it to the next timetable change.

Class 315 via South Tottenham (does not stop):
Saturdays only until the 8th December 2018
2U00 0530 LST - 0602 ENF

LST - London Liverpool Street
ENF - Enfield Town

Loaned class 317s from Greater Anglia:
Monday to Fridays only until the 7th December 2018
2D12 0736 LST - 0814 CHN
2D11 0822 CHN - 0903 LST

2D50 1722 LST - 1800 CHN
2D49 1810 CHN - 1843 LST

LST - London Liverpool Street
CHN - Cheshunt
South Western Railway :
Class 158/159 to Weymouth via Yeovil

Saturdays only until the 8th September 2018
1L11 0722 BSK - 1031 WEY
2M00 1210 WEY - 1304 YVJ
2O01 1412 YVJ - 1506 WEY
1L66 1654 WEY - 2019 WAT

BSK - Basingstoke
WAT - London Waterloo
WEY - Weymouth
YVJ - Yeovil Junction

 

[87015]

.

Class 315 via South Tottenham (does not stop):
Saturdays only until the 8th December 2018
2U00 0530 LST - 0602 ENF

This wont be running via South Tottenham UFN as the route is not available until the GOBE scheme is commissioned. Months away yet.

 

[700007]

This wont be running via South Tottenham UFN as the route is not available until the GOBE scheme is commissioned. Months away yet.

Ah I had been told it was coming back and it was even loaded into RTT?

But actually it makes a lot of sense as I had seen that most of the wires still need to be tested properly and that won't be done until August at the earliest. Thanks for pointing that out 87015 and SprinterMan if you do post these into the main thread, please exclude that particular diagram.

 

[87015]

Ah I had been told it was coming back and it was even loaded into RTT?

But actually it makes a lot of sense as I had seen that most of the wires still need to be tested properly and that won't be done until August at the earliest. Thanks for pointing that out 87015 and SprinterMan if you do post these into the main thread, please exclude that particular diagram.

It's in the WTT (as the route should have been handed back ages ago) but will have to come out in the meantime. If you look at the relevant SX ECS moves for next week they are amended to run direct.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Here's some extra diagrams that may be of some interest to people:

London Overground :
Class 172 to Willesden Junction
Monday to Fridays only

2J96 0811 BKG - 0906 WIJ*

BKG - Barking
WIJ - Willesden Junction

*The above service will only run until when the 710s enter service. It will no longer run after they enter service, so as a result it's not been included in the printed timetable and it may not make it to the next timetable change.

Class 315 via South Tottenham (does not stop):
Saturdays only until the 8th December 2018
2U00 0530 LST - 0602 ENF

LST - London Liverpool Street
ENF - Enfield Town

Loaned class 317s from Greater Anglia:
Monday to Fridays only until the 7th December 2018
2D12 0736 LST - 0814 CHN
2D11 0822 CHN - 0903 LST

2D50 1722 LST - 1800 CHN
2D49 1810 CHN - 1843 LST

LST - London Liverpool Street
CHN - Cheshunt
South Western Railway :
Class 158/159 to Weymouth via Yeovil

Saturdays only until the 8th September 2018
1L11 0722 BSK - 1031 WEY
2M00 1210 WEY - 1304 YVJ
2O01 1412 YVJ - 1506 WEY
1L66 1654 WEY - 2019 WAT

BSK - Basingstoke
WAT - London Waterloo
WEY - Weymouth
YVJ - Yeovil Junction

The SWR one would indeed be helpful please!

 

[Levente_BP]

Does anyone know if the the Holyhead-Cardiff Premiere Service will remain to be loco hauled during the engineering works at Newport 21-25 May? Thanks a lot.

 

[PHILIPE]

Does anyone know if the the Holyhead-Cardiff Premiere Service will remain to be loco hauled during the engineering works at Newport 21-25 May? Thanks a lot.

No. Welcome to the Forum.

 

[Levente_BP]

No. Welcome to the Forum.

Ok, thanks for the quick reply. But the North Wales commuter service (09:50 MAN-HHD) is still loco hauled this week, right?

Thanks a lot, I'm re-planning my journey right now. Greetings from Budapest

 

[PHILIPE]

Ok, thanks for the quick reply. But the North Wales commuter service (09:50 MAN-HHD) is still loco hauled this week, right?

Thanks a lot, I'm re-planning my journey right now. Greetings from Budapest

Yes. The Manchester one is unaffected

 

[sufian123]

Hi does anyone know class 172 diagrams that comes to new st over the weekends thanks in advance

 

[Sean Emmett]

Concerning the GWR entry, 166s out of Bristol and 800s have now been removed, as they are now standard stock. I am reluctant to include 802 diagrams as they are going to be in a state of flux while the introductions take place, and with the best will in the world they are no different from 800s save the braking resistors. HSTGTi diagrams will be included when finalised and full roll-out has taken place. Do you consider this correct? All opinions welcome.
Kind Regards, Adam

Agree re 800s and Bristol turbos, but disagree re 802s.

My understanding is that the 802s will be able to use the full 940hp rating of their diesel engines throughout the speed range, unlike the 800s. This is to cope with the South Devon banks.

I am planning to be out and about on Mon 16 Jul and would appreciate gen on which diagrams the 802s are supposed to be working.
Sean

 

[Kite159]

Hi does anyone know class 172 diagrams that comes to new st over the weekends thanks in advance

15:44 Worcester Shrub Hill - Birmingham New Street [via Camp Hill Lines]
16:50 Birmingham New Street - Hereford

Works back to Dorridge via Snow Hill

 

[sufian123]

15:44 Worcester Shrub Hill - Birmingham New Street [via Camp Hill Lines]
16:50 Birmingham New Street - Hereford

Works back to Dorridge via Snow Hill

Isn’t there earlier one and a diagram on a Sunday?

 

[DanNCL]

Would it be possible to include the ScotRail 156 services in the North East of England? Since the timetable change on Sunday ScotRail 156s now operate services on the Durham Coast line as well as on the Tyne Valley line. The following Northern services in the North East of England are now operated by ScotRail 156s: (Monday - Friday)

Unit 1:
1S50 06:30 Newcastle - Glasgow Central via Carlisle

Unit 2:
2N16 08:03 Carlisle - Nunthorpe
2W27 11:18 Nunthorpe - Hexham
2W30 13:57 Hexham - Newcastle
2A26 16:19 Newcastle - Morpeth
2N27 16:52 Morpeth - Carlisle

Unit 3:
1E97 16:13 Glasgow Central - Newcastle
Unit stables Heaton, then operates the following day's 1S50 06:30 Newcastle - Glasgow Central.

I'm not sure if there are any ScotRail 156 services in the North East of England on Saturdays or Sundays.

 

[Kite159]

Unit 2:
2N16 08:03 Carlisle - Nunthorpe
2W27 11:18 Nunthorpe - Hexham
2W30 13:57 Hexham - Newcastle
2A26 16:19 Newcastle - Morpeth
2N27 16:52 Morpeth - Carlisle

That will make an unusual sight of a Scottish 156 in Nunthorpe!