Frequently Requested Diagrams Updates

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  1. MidnightFlyer

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    [Mod Note - The diagrams sticky is here.]

    Time this was updated I think!

    Is the following correct?

    Arriva CrossCountry HSTs:
    Major changes

    Arriva Trains Wales Loco-Hauled (ATW Class 57 & Mk2 / 3s):
    No changes

    Chiltern Railways Class 121 'Bubblecar':
    No changes

    Chiltern Railways Loco-Hauled (ex-WSMR Class 67s & Mk3s):
    Slight changes

    First ScotRail Loco-Hauled (DBS Class 67 & Mk2s):
    No changes

    Southern Railway / Gatwick Express Class 442s:
    No changes

    Virgin Trains Class 390s (in lieu of Class 221s):
    Some changes

    Virgin Trains 'Pretendolino' (FL / DBS Class 90 & Mk3s):
    No changes

    Any links for changes etc are appreciated!
     
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  3. 43094

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    XC HST diagrams - copied from my post on www.hstgen.co.uk.... WTT from Dec '11

    Sundays:
    08:10 Leeds – Plymouth; 14:23 Plymouth - Edinburgh
    09:00 Leeds – Plymouth; 15:23 Plymouth - York
    08:50 Edinburgh – Plymouth; 18:23 Plymouth – Leeds
    13:23 Plymouth – Edinburgh

    Mondays to Fridays:
    06:00 Leeds – Plymouth; 12:23 Plymouth – Glasgow
    06:32 York – Plymouth; 13:23 Plymouth – Edinburgh (Mondays ONLY)
    06:06 Edinburgh- Plymouth; 15:23 Plymouth – Leeds
    06:32 Dundee – Plymouth; 17:23 Plymouth – Leeds (Fridays ONLY)
    13:08 Edinburgh- Plymouth (Fridays ONLY)

    Saturdays:
    06:00 Leeds – Plymouth; 12:23 Plymouth – Glasgow
    06:32 Dundee – Plymouth; 17:23 Plymouth – Leeds
     
  4. Martin_1981

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    Glad to hear the 1723 Plymouth-Leeds is still an XC HST on Fridays. I'm booked on this service this Friday from Tiverton Parkway to Bristol Temple Meads.

    I love these trains, so much better than those god damn Voyagers!!
     
  5. SprinterMan

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    A 390 in lieu of a 221 that isn't currently mentioned:

    Saturdays
    0850 Euston-Holyhead
    1438 Holyhead-Euston

    This is the only Virgin North Wales service that isn't a 221 now (and has been for a while) so should probably go on the list. :)
     
  6. MCR247

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    Well tbf it's not really a 390 in lieu of a 221, it's a 390 diagram
     
  7. SprinterMan

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    Oh is it, my mistake, sorry :)
    Just thought people may like it and find it useful (loco hauled on North Wales coast and all that)
     
  8. Ministry

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    What about the last remaining GatEx 460s? Do they operate on fixed services or are they just running as and when?
     
  9. ushawk

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    460's run whenever there isnt a 442 avaliable to operate a GatEx service. If you manage to get one now then its pure luck.
     
  10. Tomonthetrain

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    does anyone have the Chiltern 172 diagrams?
     
  11. class377man

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    I believe there is one 460 diagram scheduled on Saturdays, but I'm not sure of the details.
     
  12. thameslink2000

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    460001 and 460002 are the only 460s which see any use now. There is usually one on the following diagrams;

    Monday-Friday
    Stewarts Lane T&R.S.M.D 02:30 5T06 SL060
    London Victoria 1 03:11 03:30 1D06 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 28 04:05 04:35 1U11 SL060
    London Victoria 55 05:12 05:30 1D14 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 81 06:00 06:21 1U19 SL060
    London Victoria 51 06:50 07:15 1D28 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 77 07:45 07:50 5D28 SL060
    Gatwick Airport C.H.S. 78 07:52 18:54 5U21 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 78 18:56 19:05 1U21 SL060
    London Victoria 105 19:35 20:00 1D32 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 132 20:30 20:50 1U37 SL060
    London Victoria 158 21:20 21:30 1D44 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 185 22:00 22:20 1U49 SL060
    London Victoria 212 22:50 23:00 1D56 SL060
    Gatwick Airport 239 23:30 23:50 1U61 SL060
    London Victoria 266 00:25 00:34 5T61 SL060
    Stewarts Lane T&R.S.M.D 267 00:49

    Saturday
    Stewarts Lane T&R.S.M.D 04:48 5T12 SL001
    London Victoria 1 05:05 05:15 1D12 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 28 05:50 06:05 1U17 SL001
    London Victoria 55 06:35 06:45 1D24 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 82 07:15 07:35 1U29 SL001
    London Victoria 108 08:05 08:30 1D38 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 135 09:00 09:20 1U43 SL001
    London Victoria 162 09:50 10:15 1D52 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 189 10:45 11:05 1U57 SL001
    London Victoria 216 11:35 12:00 1D66 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 243 12:30 12:50 1U71 SL001
    London Victoria 269 13:20 13:45 1D80 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 296 14:15 14:35 1U85 SL001
    London Victoria 323 15:05 15:30 1D94 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 350 16:00 16:20 1U99 SL001
    London Victoria 377 16:50 17:15 1D10 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 404 17:45 18:05 1U13 SL001
    London Victoria 430 18:35 19:00 1D24 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 457 19:30 19:50 1U27 SL001
    London Victoria 484 20:20 20:45 1D38 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 511 21:15 21:35 1U43 SL001
    London Victoria 538 22:05 22:30 1D52 SL001
    Gatwick Airport 565 23:00 23:20 1U57 SL001
    London Victoria 591 23:55 00:11 5T57 SL001
    Stewarts Lane T&R.S.M.D 592 00:26


    * If you are lucky the second 460 may also appear on another diagram in addition to the ones listed above.

    * If a 30 minute frequency service is operating on the Gatwick Express on a Saturday due to engineering the above Saturday diagram will not apply.

    * Also for the past few weekends, 460s have been present operating on a Sunday service :D
     
  13. 466.networkers

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    Has anyone got the diagrams where Voyagers replace Pendolino's on EUS-BHM workings?

    Thanks.
     
  14. Pumbaa

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    Look above.
     
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    The 221 vice 390 diagrams aren't there ... looked through all the posts ...
     
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    I saw one today on the 12.00 Victoria - Gatwick, was 460 002 I believe, only 460 i saw out today so it seems the diagrams below are correct - any reason why 442's arent being used for that journey at the moment ?
     
  17. MCR247

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    One has a problem and they are short, and Brighton gets the priority as 460s are not good for that...?
     
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    The Saturday 460 apparently exists for driver knowledge reasons.

    Any weekday 460s are due to a lack of available working 442s. However on Friday Southern managed to supply a full set of 442s with no 460s present!
     
  19. All Line Rover

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  20. MidnightFlyer

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    As soon as people provide up to date info! To the best of my knowledge only XC has changed massively, but I am counting on others to provide clearer data. I posted this thread just because someone needed to be OP, I am not fully responsible for everything myself.
     
  21. All Line Rover

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    I do not see the need to mention Virgin 390s. It appears that Virgin want to run Pendolinos permanently on the Birmingham to Scotland route.

    If we are unable to find up-to-date information, I don't see the point of keeping this thread stickied. Why take up space with an out-of-date thread?
     
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    I think that having the additional 390 diagrams in place of 221s is very useful to have. I'd like to see information on where Voyagers have replaced Pendolinos on London-Wolverhampton even more so: I've had a couple of nasty surprises recently where I've found a 221 waiting for me where I expected a 390, most recently yesterday on the 16:49 departure from New Street to Wolverhampton. So the 15:23 London Euston to Wolverhampton is definitely a 221 in place of a 390 at any rate! And before the December timetable change, the 09:50 New Street to Euston was a 221, and therefore the 11:43 return. I don't know whether this is still the case, but the timings suggest that the same unit would end up back at Euston again in time to work the 15:23 to Wolverhampton.

    There was a post in another thread a while back that detailed all the 390-vice-221s and 221-vice-390 diagrams for the current timetable, but for some reason the details were removed. :(
     
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    It was a 221 today
     
  24. All Line Rover

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    I saw a double 221 at Birmingham New Street yesterday, for a service to London Euston. Around 1:30pm - I can't remember the specific service.

    OK then - I'll make a list within the next few days. :)
     
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    That would be helpful as I would like to know what is 221 vice 390 so on the odd occasion I use Virmin to get to London I can avoid the horrid 390 'experience'
     
  26. All Line Rover

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    Virgin Trains Super Voyager / Pendolino swaps:

    KEY: ex. = from, con. = continues to

    Birmingham to London route:

    Mondays to Fridays: (all services below are operated by Super Voyagers until 29th June 2012, unless otherwise stated)

    • [06:20] Rugby to London via Northampton
    • [09:50] Birmingham to London
    • [13:30] Birmingham to London
    • [16:10] Birmingham to London ex. Glasgow (until 30th March 2012 only)
    • [18:10] Birmingham to London ex. Wolverhampton

    • [08:03] London to Birmingham
    • [11:43] London to Birmingham
    • [15:23] London to Birmingham
    • [19:03] London to Birmingham
    • [20:03] London to Birmingham

    Saturdays: (all services below are operated by Super Voyagers until 31st March 2012, unless otherwise stated)

    • [05:50] Birmingham to London (until 30th June 2012)
    • [07:30] Birmingham to London ex. Wolverhampton
    • [12:10] Birmingham to London ex. Wolverhampton

    • [09:23] London to Birmingham con. Wolverhampton
    • [14:03] London to Birmingham
    • [17:43] London to Birmingham
    • [18:43] London to Birmingham con. Crewe (excluding Fridays, until 29th March 2012)

    Sundays: (all services below are operated by Super Voyagers until 1st April 2012)

    • [12:50] Birmingham to London
    • [16:50] Birmingham to London

    • [14:58] London to Birmingham
    • [18:58] London to Birmingham

    Birmingham to Scotland route:

    Mondays to Fridays: (all services below are operated by Pendolinos until 28th September 2012, unless otherwise stated)

    • [06:19] Birmingham to Edinburgh
    • [11:20] Birmingham to Glasgow ex. London
    • [15:20] Birmingham to Glasgow (until 29th June 2012)
    • [16:20] Birmingham to Edinburgh ex. London

    • [06:52] Edinburgh to Birmingham con. London
    • [10:51] Edinburgh to Birmingham
    • [16:00] Glasgow to Birmingham
    • [20:10] Glasgow to Crewe

    Saturdays: (all services below are operated by Pendolinos until 29th September 2012)

    • [06:20] Birmingham to Edinburgh
    • [12:20] Birmingham to Edinburgh
    • [15:20] Birmingham to Edinburgh

    • [08:00] Glasgow to Birmingham
    • [10:52] Edinburgh to Birmingham
    • [16:52] Edinburgh to Birmingham
    • [18:40] Glasgow to Birmingham

    Sundays: (all services below are operated by Pendolinos until 30th September 2012, unless otherwise stated)

    • [08:45] Birmingham to Preston
    • [09:20] Birmingham to Glasgow
    • [15:20] Birmingham to Glasgow (until 13th May 2012)
    • [18:20] Birmingham to Glasgow (until 13th May 2012)

    • [10:52] Edinburgh to Birmingham
    • [13:55] Glasgow to Birmingham (until 24th June 2012)

    Other services of interest:
    • [18:46] London to Preston (Fridays only) - First Class is declassified on this Super Voyager
    • [18:57] London to Manchester (Fridays only) - First Class is declassified on this Pendolino

      Notes: I do not have any data for the [19:03] Mondays to Fridays service from London to Birmingham, although I have been told that this is a double Super Voyager. I also do not have any data for the [18:43] Fridays only service from London to Crewe via Birmingham, so cannot confirm that this is still the "Pretendolino."

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    CrossCountry HST Diagrams:

    http://www.125group.org.uk/diagrams-AXC.pdf

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    Arriva Premier Service:

    No changes
     
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    The 18:43 FO London - Crewe is still the Pretendolino.

    Can we also add the following :

    Virgin Pendolino Drag


    Saturdays Only

    [08:50] London Euston - Holyhead. (Loco attaches at Crewe 10:33 - 10:48)
    [14:38] Holyhead - London Euston. (Loco detaches at Crewe 16:47 - 16:57)
     
  28. Temple Meads

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    Is the Chiltern loco hauled info still up to date?

    Thanks :)
     
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    Chiltern Mainline Times are

    [06:19] Birmingham Moor Street - London Marylebone
    [06:55] Babbury - London Marylebone
    [06:55] Birmingham Moor Street - London Marylebone
    [10:55] Birmingham Moor Street - London Marylebone
    [15:55] Birmingham Moor Street - London Marylebone

    [08:37] London Marylebone - Birmingham Moor Street
    [13:37] London Marylebone - Birmingham Moor Street
    [16:46] London Marylebone - Birmingham Moor Street
    [18:07] London Marylebone - Kidderminster
    [18:13] London Marylebone - Banbury
     
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    Thanks Matt and headshot, that helps a lot, cheers :)
     
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