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Further Restrictions Announced by Johnson (22/09)

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Johnson has just announced in the Commons that these measures are likely to remain in place for six months...

New measures include reduced numbers attending weddings, £200 fine for first face covering offence and 10pm curfew of pubs and restaurants.
 
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Johnson has just announced in the Commons that these measures are likely to remain in place for six months...

New measures include reduced numbers attending weddings, £200 fine for first face covering offence and 10pm curfew of pubs and restaurants.
Extremely worrying that this will last for 6 months. Also didn’t rule out taking things further if cases continue to rise. I really want to ask them how they envisage getting out of this, now elimination is impossible.

To be fair, I expected the rule of 6 to be reduced to no indoor household mixing, and I’m pleased it hasn’t been.
 

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Johnson has just announced in the Commons that these measures are likely to remain in place for six months...

New measures include reduced numbers attending weddings, £200 fine for first face covering offence and 10pm curfew of pubs and restaurants.

Well A message to BoJo, "Go stuff yourself! Christmas will not be cancelled in our family. Best get the rozzers ready!"
 

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Extremely worrying that this will last for 6 months. Also didn’t rule out taking things further if cases continue to rise. I really want to ask them how the envisage getting out of this, now elimination is impossible.

One can only assume they’re banking on a vaccine.

The troubling thing is there was no mention of exit strategy. No measureables for when restrictions can be lifted nor a definition of what would be considered success. There just seems to be no strategy except aimlessly keep pouring water on the fire.

Trouble is I suspect these restrictions aren’t going to do much.
 

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Extremely worrying that this will last for 6 months. Also didn’t rule out taking things further if cases continue to rise. I really want to ask them how they envisage getting out of this, now elimination is impossible.

To be fair, I expected the rule of 6 to be reduced to no indoor household mixing, and I’m pleased it hasn’t been.
I think now their plan is that they are really expecting a vaccine in the next six months so if that doesn't come to fruition they might find themselves struggling with what to do next (more so than already).
You haven't had the Sturgeon one-upmanship bit yet...
Quite :lol:
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One can only assume they’re banking on a vaccine.

The troubling thing is there was no mention of exit strategy. No measureables for when restrictions can be lifted nor a definition of what would be considered success. There just seems to be no strategy except aimlessly keep pouring water on the fire.

Trouble is I suspect these restrictions aren’t going to do much.
Typed at the same time and you explained it beteter than me. That's exactly what I think they're doing, reacting because otherwise they're being told they are not doing enough, but just throwing restriction after restriction.
 

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I think now their plan is that they are really expecting a vaccine in the next six months so if that doesn't come to fruition they might find themselves struggling with what to do next (more so than already).

Quite :lol:


Typed at the same time and you explained it beteter than me. That's exactly what I think they're doing, reacting because otherwise they're being told they are not doing enough, but just throwing restriction after restriction.

I do think that by the end of March, social distancing measures for the entire population should end regardless of whether there is a vaccine to avoid further economic and societal damage. If there is no vaccine at that point, then the government will have to accept that we have to live the virus and any measures should be focused on protecting the vulnerable.
 

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I do think that by the end of March, social distancing measures for the entire population should end regardless of whether there is a vaccine to avoid further economic and societal damage. If there is no vaccine at that point, then the government will have to accept that we have to live the virus and any measures should be focused on protecting the vulnerable.
I agree. I think this should be the case before then really but looks like that's unlikely now.
 

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So we've got to wear face nappies in the pub from Thursday onwards, unless you are seated at your table, and staff will also have to wear the wretched things.

Could anyone explain what difference wearing a face nappy for a minute or two as you enter a pub is actually going to make? What is "..the science.." behind this nonsensical rule? (I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer)

And 10pm closing means that is when you must be out of the door and on the street, so last orders will be around 9:30.

That's going to be popular around Christmas, and especially on New Year's Eve, although no doubt Ebeneezer Scrooge Boris Johnson will announce on December 23rd that the restrictions will be relaxed for the festive season because the public are thoroughly p*ss*d off and if this continues for much longer it will affect my chances of winning the next election "science" shows that the prevalance of the virus is reduced.
 

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Seems like a bunch of changes that are mostly irritating rather than likely to have any noticeable impact on the transmission of the virus (whether you think that's a good thing or not).

Either the 'second wave' will materialise or not, but I don't see how they can try to argue that it will be these measures that have affected it either way.
 

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Johnson has just announced in the Commons that these measures are likely to remain in place for six months...

I'm looking forward to seeing which media outlet figures out that this'll be in place at Christmas then and turn on him (more so than before!)
 

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Video is currently being live streamed now.

Boris Johnson will on Tuesday announce national Covid-19 restrictions including early pub closing and a return to working from home as he starts to reverse the freedoms of recent months. The Prime Minister will order all hospitality venues in England to close by 10pm from this Thursday after the coronavirus alert status was raised to the second-highest level for the first time since June.

A slight ammendum to state this isn't a "second lockdown" but rather some more restrictions being announced.
 

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Was seeing reports last night that most of the cabinet are trying to pivot more to a Swedish-style approach, with just Hancock and Gove supporting the current approach. Interesting if true.
 

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I don't think the mail would stoop quite that low, but the Sun or the Express definitely

The Mail might go for him as the Grinch, though?

To be fair, I expected the rule of 6 to be reduced to no indoor household mixing, and I’m pleased it hasn’t been.

He also specifically said it is not a return to "stay at home" and that the non-essential shops would stay open, which logically must mean that leisure travel is still allowed - which should please many on this forum. Including myself.
 

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Well, it could have been worse.

Unfortunately I've no faith that it won't all change again tomorrow.
 

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The Mail might go for him as the Grinch, though?

I reckon this one will appear in at least one paper:

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Scowling Boris - not my photo
 

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I'm predicting civil unrest very soon, surely people will not allow these restrictions on their lives?

No team sports allowed inside? That's the indoor bowls cancelled then! Absolutely ridiculous!

Edit: Also, his threats of even more restrictions are absolutely disgusting.

We now live in a de facto tin pot dictatorship

All for a virus which kills on average people aged 82.

We've gotten a partial lockdown with other unnecessary restrictions on our lives for the next six months (and what's a bet the restrictions will be extended!)
 

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It isn't so much the further restrictions which bother me (though masks indoors in pubs/restaurants is ridiculous and unnecessary), but the duration of it all. Six more months of this, and no doubt it will extend further. I know so many people who feel utterly miserable because of the last few months, they simply won't be able to cope with that much more of restrictions.
 

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I'm predicting civil unrest very soon, surely people will not allow these restrictions on their lives?

No team sports allowed inside? That's the indoor bowls cancelled then! Absolutely ridiculous!

Edit: Also, his threats of even more restrictions are absolutely disgusting.

We now live in a de facto tin pot dictatorship

All for a virus which kills on average people aged 82.

We've gotten a partial lockdown with other unnecessary restrictions on our lives for the next six months (and what's a bet the restrictions will be extended!)
Something will definitely give with the public over this, although I don't think it will happen imminently. If we continue to see the Covid statistics show values that make these restrictions look OTT, the end of the furlough scheme do its worst without normality back at the same time, and the approach to Christmas show up the restriction fatigue, they'll set it off.

From a political perspective Labour and Tories are currently tied around 40%. If this announcement and the impact in the near future sees the Tory value sink lower (yes an election is long way off but some politicians do take them seriously), then if the public don't force a change of direction, the backbenches will definitely revolt (especially as things are already getting frosty with them).
 

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Something will definitely give with the public over this, although I don't think it will happen imminently. If we continue to see the Covid statistics show values that make these restrictions look OTT, the end of the furlough scheme do its worst without normality back at the same time, and the approach to Christmas show up the restriction fatigue, they'll set it off.

From a political perspective Labour and Tories are currently tied around 40%. If this announcement and the impact in the near future sees the Tory value sink lower (yes an election is long way off but some politicians do take them seriously), then if the public don't force a change of direction, the backbenches will definitely revolt (especially as things are already getting frosty with them).

I don't think there will be a shift in the polls, Labour agreed with all of the new measures!
 

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Could explain new the measures being only a tweak round the edges.

I suspect so. Given what we were hearing over the last few days, I think something more dramatic was probably planned.

As it is, we've got a mess of measures that further irritates those already irritated, and doesn't particularly reassure those concerned. And the 'six months' thing is a PR disaster. What are they actually trying to achieve?
 

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Labour would have us locked up till 2022. My partner cancelled her membership because of their stance. So one positive from all this!
 

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I'm predicting civil unrest very soon, surely people will not allow these restrictions on their lives?

No team sports allowed inside? That's the indoor bowls cancelled then! Absolutely ridiculous!

Edit: Also, his threats of even more restrictions are absolutely disgusting.

We now live in a de facto tin pot dictatorship

All for a virus which kills on average people aged 82.

We've gotten a partial lockdown with other unnecessary restrictions on our lives for the next six months (and what's a bet the restrictions will be extended!)

I do sense an atmosphere developing.

On the Welsh news there was an old woman mouthing off about selfish younger people. One could just as easily retort with “it’s equally selfish having lived your life when younger to expect today’s younger people not to live theirs”.

The trouble is the message emanating from the politicians seems to focus around this continuing Karen idea that it’s all about what others do. So Karen can go to the beach, and when she gets there moans that everyone else has had the same idea.

In the absence of a vaccine people are going to have to make hard choices about what they’re comfortable with, and unfortunately that’s probably going to have to extend to workplaces too within reason.
 
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The case counts are still relatively low, even in the hotspots of the North West/East. Death counts will inevitably be even lower. It's a relatively benign non-lethal virus to have unless the affected is infirm, elderly, or already has underlying heath conditions. It's not suitable to have such a drastic and inflated response.

There is a large amount of civil unrest now due to the duration of the restrictions imposed. There was more support for this a few months ago - now people are starting to see the ridiculousness of it all.

Allow citizens to make their own choices. If someone wishes to go out and play sports - let them. If someone wishes to have a drink and socialise with (heaven forbid) 6 people, let them do so.
 

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I find it telling that, as I write this, just below this story on the BBC News page is another with the headline "Covid a factor in 1% of England & Wales deaths".

So all this nonsense is about a factor in 1% of deaths (not the only factor), and stuff the rest.

I really do despair at the stupidity of those supposedly in charge of this nation.
 

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Labour would have us locked up till 2022. My partner cancelled her membership because of their stance. So one positive from all this!

I did too. It will be interesting to see what happens to membership numbers after the Corbyn 'blip' and now this nonsense - I suspect the only way is down. Way down.
 

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I do think that by the end of March, social distancing measures for the entire population should end regardless of whether there is a vaccine to avoid further economic and societal damage. If there is no vaccine at that point, then the government will have to accept that we have to live the virus and any measures should be focused on protecting the vulnerable.


When 98% of the deaths are happening in Hospitals and Care homes, I agree.

Labour would have us locked up till 2022. My partner cancelled her membership because of their stance. So one positive from all this!


Sorry you mean 2042?

Don't forget the military at the end of every street ;)
 
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