Future of Class 185s

[ainsworth74]

Mod Note: Posts #1 - #11 originally in this thread.

I see the 185s being used before the 175s to be honest. Don't know why, just gut feeling.

I'll be staggered if any of them end up leaving the TPE franchise once the dust settles.

 

[RealTrains07]

I'll be staggered if any of them end up leaving the TPE franchise once the dust settles.

Really once they have all 3 nova fleets in full service all 185s are pretty much useless arn’t they? I know they are keeping a few?

 

[LOL The Irony]

Really once they have all 3 nova fleets in full service all 185s are pretty much useless arn’t they? I know they are keeping a few?

They're probably keeping all of them so all 185 operated services can be 6 cars, on top of the Liverpool - Nottingham service.

 

[Domh245]

About half of the 185 fleet was being kept to run the south transpennine service (Manchester Airport - Cleethorpes wasn't it?

 

[ainsworth74]

There are fifty-one class 185s. Once the various new trains are rolled out on TPE they are committed to keeping twenty-nine of them in the long term to run South TPE and some North TPE services (there aren't quite enough Mk5s). This leaves twenty-two units without a home. Lumping in Liverpool - Nottingham and running doubles on at least some services will eat up another fifteen or so leaving somewhere in the region seven without a home. It seems likely to me that it will be possible to find a way of making the numbers work for those seven to simply remain in the TPE franchise. So whilst it's by no means certain, right now my money is on them all ending up remaining with TPE in the long term. Even with their new fleet.

However we're in danger of going wildly off topic here considering the thread we're in so a new thread may be required if we wish to go further on this!

 

[samuelmorris]

There are fifty-one class 185s. Once the various new trains are rolled out on TPE they are committed to keeping twenty-nine of them in the long term to run South TPE and some North TPE services (there aren't quite enough Mk5s). This leaves twenty-two units without a home. Lumping in Liverpool - Nottingham and running doubles on at least some services will eat up another fifteen or so leaving somewhere in the region seven without a home. It seems likely to me that it will be possible to find a way of making the numbers work for those seven to simply remain in the TPE franchise. So whilst it's by no means certain, right now my money is on them all ending up remaining with TPE in the long term. Even with their new fleet.

However we're in danger of going wildly off topic here considering the thread we're in so a new thread may be required if we wish to go further on this!

I'm inclined to agree - why insufficient Mk5s were ordered is a bit puzzling, and it's a shame as the 185s could have uses in numerous other places.

 

[Nym]

I'm inclined to agree - why insufficient Mk5s were ordered is a bit puzzling, and it's a shame as the 185s could have uses in numerous other places.

For fear of straying too far off topic.

The 185s accelerate a lot better than the Mk.5s w/68 and the WoE units being used on the rest of TPE.
As the Hull & Selby services (yes, and Selby) are going to be stoppers over the pennies, this extra performance was needed. Similar for the Hope Valley, or they knew about Liverpool - Norwich splitting and wanted a common Hope Valley fleet?

 

[samuelmorris]

For fear of straying too far off topic.

The 185s accelerate a lot better than the Mk.5s w/68 and the WoE units being used on the rest of TPE.
As the Hull & Selby services (yes, and Selby) are going to be stoppers over the pennies, this extra performance was needed. Similar for the Hope Valley, or they knew about Liverpool - Norwich splitting and wanted a common Hope Valley fleet?

I don't have an issue with 185s being retained for the South Transpennine, what confuses me is not ordering enough for the specific routes the Mk5s were intended to be used on and having a mix of them and 185s operate the same route.

 

[K13R0N]

About half of the 185 fleet was being kept to run the south transpennine service (Manchester Airport - Cleethorpes wasn't it?

They're supposedly keeping some on to make the South Transpennine services 6 car from 2020 I believe

 

[CosherB]

They're probably keeping all of them so all 185 operated services can be 6 cars, on top of the Liverpool - Nottingham service.

The assumption has been that TPE will secure the Liverpool - Nottingham end of these EMT services. Why couldn't Northern operate them with 158s?

 

[Bletchleyite]

The assumption has been that TPE will secure the Liverpool - Nottingham end of these EMT services. Why couldn't Northern operate them with 158s?

Northern can't manage what they have got without giving them anything else as well.