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"HS2 Phase 1 will be one of the most intensively used high speed railways in the world pretty much from opening day"

In which case HS2 Eastern Leg will be a white elephant as London to Birmingham won't have nearly enough paths to accomodate trains from Leeds etc.
 
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"HS2 Phase 1 will be one of the most intensively used high speed railways in the world pretty much from opening day"

In which case HS2 Eastern Leg will be a white elephant as London to Birmingham won't have nearly enough paths to accomodate trains from Leeds etc.
"Intensively used" isn't the same as "full".

Even 8tph would be intensive compared to most railways worldwide. It's just not intensive compared to HS2 design maxima.
 

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"HS2 Phase 1 will be one of the most intensively used high speed railways in the world pretty much from opening day"

In which case HS2 Eastern Leg will be a white elephant as London to Birmingham won't have nearly enough paths to accommodate trains from Leeds etc.
Exactly. HS2 phases 1 (to Brum) and 2a (to Crewe) can be justified on providing extra capacity to relieve the congested southern half of the WCML; that does not apply to the rest of the HS2 proposals. If the eastern leg isn't built, HS2 could still provide 2 tph to Sheffield via Derby, which is likely to be significantly faster than the existing route via the MML, so that 2 of the 4 cities that the eastern leg is intended to serve still benefit from HS2.
 
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"Intensively used" isn't the same as "full".

Even 8tph would be intensive compared to most railways worldwide. It's just not intensive compared to HS2 design maxima.
And what happens when HS2 generated growth in demand for travel between London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow necessitates extra paths?

Four trains an hour to each of Manchester and Birmingham, plus two an hour to Liverpool and Glasgow, plus one an hour to Edinburgh via Carstairs and Holyhead, would just about fill it up. And thats before places like Blackpool jump on the babdwagon...

Even if that level of service only runs in the peaks, there is no capacity for the eastern leg.

Almost every electrification scheme ever produced a sparks effect of dramatic growth due to shorter, more reliable journey times, so why would HS2 be any different?

As recently as the 90's there was one train an hour to Manchester and one or two an hour to Birmingham, now there are three an hour to each.

The post Covid switch to homeworking will undoubtably reduce traditional commuter travel, but conversely it will increase demand on HS2, as the combination of homeworking and shorter journey times sees people move much further out and use HS2 for the days when they do attend the office or meetings.
 
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"HS2 Phase 1 will be one of the most intensively used high speed railways in the world pretty much from opening day"

In which case HS2 Eastern Leg will be a white elephant as London to Birmingham won't have nearly enough paths to accomodate trains from Leeds etc.

Whuh?

It's intensively used (at 18tph into Euston) *because* 6tph are dedicated specifically for the Eastern Leg.
 

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And what happens when HS2 generated growth in demand for travel between London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow necessitates extra paths?

Four trains an hour to each of Manchester and Birmingham, plus two an hour to Liverpool and Glasgow, plus one an hour to Edinburgh via Carstairs and Holyhead, would just about fill it up. And thats before places like Blackpool jump on the babdwagon...

Even if that level of service only runs in the peaks, there is no capacity for the eastern leg.

Almost every electrification scheme ever produced a sparks effect of dramatic growth due to shorter, more reliable journey times, so why would HS2 be any different?

As recently as the 90's there was one train an hour to Manchester and one or two an hour to Birmingham, now there are three an hour to each.

The post Covid switch to homeworking will undoubtably reduce traditional commuter travel, but conversely it will increase demand on HS2, as the combination of homeworking and shorter journey times sees people move much further out and use HS2 for the days when they do attend the office or meetings.
The full HS2 plan allows for 3 trains per hour from both Birmingham and Manchester, these will be 400m trains compared to around 260m for an 11 car Pendolino, and not all traffic that currently uses these services will transfer clearly traffic from intermediate stations not served by HS2 will continue to use the West Coast, Midland and East Coast. Some of the 200m trains to classic compatible destinations such as Liverpool, Scotland and Lancaster run in pairs to a HS2 station where they are split although the current business plan suggests not all are in pairs so there may be a limited possibility to add more destinations by more doubling up anyway. Holyhead is unlikely to be added unless it is electrified at some point.

Yeh lets make it 4 tracks to Birmingham and add even more cost, you have to draw the line somewhere on what is projected future traffic.
 
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The full HS2 plan allows for 3 trains per hour from both Birmingham and Manchester, these will be 400m trains compared to around 260m for an 11 car Pendolino, and not all traffic that currently uses these services will transfer clearly traffic from intermediate stations not served by HS2 will continue to use the West Coast, Midland and East Coast. Some of the 200m trains to classic compatible destinations such as Liverpool, Scotland and Lancaster run in pairs to a HS2 station where they are split although the current business plan suggests not all are in pairs so there may be a possibility to add more destinations by more doubling up anyway. Holyhead is unlikely to be added unless it is electrified at some point.

Yeh lets make it 4 tracks to Birmingham and add even more cost, you have to draw the line somewhere on what is projected future traffic.

But there isn't any capacity for projected future traffic once the eastern leg is built, other than the trains being 140m longer than the existing ones, which additional journeys generated by the reduced journey time could easily fill up in 5-10 years.

Also, if phase 2 (west) is effectively extended from Manchester to Leeds via NPR then you will need at least four an hour to Leeds via Manchester, if not five or six in time.

Hence, I suspect bye bye eastern leg north of Trent Junction on the Midland Main Line, as the penny drops that the London end won't have capacity to take on the ECML as well as MML fasts.
 

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But there isn't any capacity for projected future traffic once the eastern leg is built, other than the trains being 140m longer than the existing ones, which additional journeys generated by the reduced journey time could easily fill up in 5-10 years.

Also, if phase 2 (west) is effectively extended from Manchester to Leeds via NPR then you will need at least four an hour to Leeds via Manchester, if not five or six in time.

Hence, I suspect bye bye eastern leg north of Trent Junction on the Midland Main Line, as the penny drops that the London end won't have capacity to take on the ECML as well as MML fasts.
Well as some people don't think building HS2 is justified there is clearly a disconect between what you think is needed and those people. I belive the increased working from home is going to have some impact both on Intercity commuting and local commuting nearer to London, and certainly the company I used to work for were reducing travel to meetings in favour of video conferencing years before covid. If in 30 years HS2 doesnt have enough capacity maybe we will have to build a hyperloop but thats a long way off and I wont be worrying about it.

You have to keep in mind what is affordable if it becomes too expensive then it won't get built at all, as we have already seen with the increasing disent as costs have gone up.

Also dont forget also HS2 is about improving connectivity between the Midlands and the North not just London
 
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But there isn't any capacity for projected future traffic once the eastern leg is built, other than the trains being 140m longer than the existing ones, which additional journeys generated by the reduced journey time could easily fill up in 5-10 years.

Also, if phase 2 (west) is effectively extended from Manchester to Leeds via NPR then you will need at least four an hour to Leeds via Manchester, if not five or six in time.

Hence, I suspect bye bye eastern leg north of Trent Junction on the Midland Main Line, as the penny drops that the London end won't have capacity to take on the ECML as well as MML fasts.
The set of services proposed for the full Y network does pretty much fully fill the capacity between London and Bimingham. Whether they went via the Eastern Leg or via Manchester (which raises some different capacity issues) the number of trains leaving London for Leeds would be the same. If that capacity isn't enough then it's probably time to look at another HS line from London up the east side of the country, which could be delivered as incremental upgrades of the ECML.
I believe the increased working from home is going to have some impact both on Intercity commuting and local commuting nearer to London, and certainly the company I used to work for were reducing travel to meetings in favour of video conferencing years before covid.
HS2 isn't relevant to commuting nearer to London but some of its users will be travelling to business meetings and commuting over a longer distance. However any pre-Covid move from physical to virtual working and meetings should already have been factored into the HS2 business case (my employer was taking a similar line). What's more significant is the amount by which Covid has increased that trend, which I personally believe will be quite significant for long-distance commuting but less so for business meetings partly because that trend was already under way.
If in 30 years HS2 doesnt have enough capacity maybe we will have to build a hyperloop but thats a long way off and I wont be worrying about it.
i'd say another high speed line was far more likely than a hyperloop, partly because it can be delivered as an incremental upgrade and takes advantage of the existing network. When you look at the actual issues rather than the hype, particularly on capacity, safety and security, it's hard to see how hyperloop can play a significant part in meeting the UK's future transport needs.
 

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It's not clear-cut to say that Covid has broken the demand for business and commuting travel on HS2. What it has done is rather dramatically smash open the *possibility* of doing remote working. The housing market has already started to shift as people who currently plan on doing a 9-5 in London with a train/tube commute either end are starting to look further beyond London, as they might only need to travel to the office once or twice a week. That means maybe a slight reduction in the shorter distance commuting, but then an increase in longer-distance (but less frequent) super-commutes.

In that mould, HS2 might make certain areas of the country even more desirable. Yes, with full fibre installed, you could probably live somewhere in Cumbria and work remotely in London. But, you'd then still be 3-4 hours away from the office for your weekly visit(s) to the office or to clients. HS2 cuts that down to still be a very long commute (at least 2 hours) but something much more doable on a regular basis.

The nature of induced demand means we'll probably see any new capacity freed up by partial week commutes replaced by even more people doing the same. Rather than a town having 1000 people going to London every weekday, it'll have 2000 people doing half weeks! That will have a fairly major impact on the economy as it'll to spread commuting demand more evenly across a wider area of the country. It'll also help not just London. A longer commute from Cumbria into Manchester or Liverpool will also be more viable now.

An odd effect then might be an increased demand for rural rail services along the current InterCity routes. You could imagine there being a lot more demand for people to live near Beattock now, and want to commute by train into Glasgow, Edinburgh and maybe heading south. If so, then certain mainline routes might need more works done to support the current 125mph express routes alongside a better stopping services.
 

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It's not clear-cut to say that Covid has broken the demand for business and commuting travel on HS2. What it has done is rather dramatically smash open the *possibility* of doing remote working. The housing market has already started to shift as people who currently plan on doing a 9-5 in London with a train/tube commute either end are starting to look further beyond London, as they might only need to travel to the office once or twice a week. That means maybe a slight reduction in the shorter distance commuting, but then an increase in longer-distance (but less frequent) super-commutes.

In that mould, HS2 might make certain areas of the country even more desirable. Yes, with full fibre installed, you could probably live somewhere in Cumbria and work remotely in London. But, you'd then still be 3-4 hours away from the office for your weekly visit(s) to the office or to clients. HS2 cuts that down to still be a very long commute (at least 2 hours) but something much more doable on a regular basis.

The nature of induced demand means we'll probably see any new capacity freed up by partial week commutes replaced by even more people doing the same. Rather than a town having 1000 people going to London every weekday, it'll have 2000 people doing half weeks! That will have a fairly major impact on the economy as it'll to spread commuting demand more evenly across a wider area of the country. It'll also help not just London. A longer commute from Cumbria into Manchester or Liverpool will also be more viable now.

An odd effect then might be an increased demand for rural rail services along the current InterCity routes. You could imagine there being a lot more demand for people to live near Beattock now, and want to commute by train into Glasgow, Edinburgh and maybe heading south. If so, then certain mainline routes might need more works done to support the current 125mph express routes alongside a better stopping services.

Nice to see this WFH thing isn't all doom and gloom for the railways then.
 

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In that mould, HS2 might make certain areas of the country even more desirable. Yes, with full fibre installed, you could probably live somewhere in Cumbria and work remotely in London. But, you'd then still be 3-4 hours away from the office for your weekly visit(s) to the office or to clients. HS2 cuts that down to still be a very long commute (at least 2 hours) but something much more doable on a regular basis.

And for only one or two trips a week, using a 2+ hour train ride as working time becomes attractive to 'buy' some time to, say, finish a bit early on the Friday.
 

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It's a similar story to the rise of telecommunications over the last 20 pre-Covid years anyway. Yes, being able to videoconference and remote work means you don't *have* to visit in person. But, those technologies fairly dramatically reduce the barrier to entry for working with people from a distance. Once you've been able to work at all with people who are a long train ride away, you'll then have more of a reason to go and visit them in person.

The primary shift we'll see in the long term from Covid WFH are people who were already finding it suboptimal to head into the office every day. IIRC some of the problems with recent franchise awards are due to the same basic effect cropping up even before Covid. Central London employment levels continued to rise, so the basis of L&SE franchises assumed an increase in passengers. But, the expected passenger growth didn't come. People started doing a very subtle shift in some cases to commuting 3 or 4 days a week, probably pushing their employer's expectations to the limit in the process. Without Covid, that effect would have continued albeit much more gradually and quietly.

The reason that rail is on its way back is that we're re-learning the value of dense urban areas as centres for employment and economic growth. The primary competition to most rail in the UK is the car, and we know that cars just don't work in these spaces. The sorts of indirect and sometimes accidental measures by the state which make car dependency feasible in towns elsewhere (free parking in the high street!) are basically impossible in London. There isn't enough space to park on the street in London, so you end up with multistorey car parks. But, those are run normally by private operators who are looking to make a profit, so they will actually charge what the market will bear. A season ticket might look expensive but so does a regular car parking space in the City or near it. High land prices mean that businesses are not providing car parking spaces either. It's not uncommon for city centre offices to be built with no parking beyond a scattering of accessible and servicing spaces in the basement. Private companies are now more interested in very expensive city centre office space than the huge swathes of car-dependent office parks built off of motorway junctions around the country.

With rail being more efficient than car, it would seem quite extraordinary for rail to fall by the wayside again as a transportation method. The only real idea then would be that humans decide to stop travelling so much. I don't think that's sensible at all. As people get wealthier, they want to travel more to experience more. Journeys which someone might only take once a year might become quarterly (e.g. a shopping/show/sights trip to London). In aggregate that still means more people travelling. If you're up beyond the Midlands, your best bet for getting to London will still be on HS2.
 

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It's a similar story to the rise of telecommunications over the last 20 pre-Covid years anyway. Yes, being able to videoconference and remote work means you don't *have* to visit in person. But, those technologies fairly dramatically reduce the barrier to entry for working with people from a distance. Once you've been able to work at all with people who are a long train ride away, you'll then have more of a reason to go and visit them in person.

The primary shift we'll see in the long term from Covid WFH are people who were already finding it suboptimal to head into the office every day. IIRC some of the problems with recent franchise awards are due to the same basic effect cropping up even before Covid. Central London employment levels continued to rise, so the basis of L&SE franchises assumed an increase in passengers. But, the expected passenger growth didn't come. People started doing a very subtle shift in some cases to commuting 3 or 4 days a week, probably pushing their employer's expectations to the limit in the process. Without Covid, that effect would have continued albeit much more gradually and quietly.

The reason that rail is on its way back is that we're re-learning the value of dense urban areas as centres for employment and economic growth. The primary competition to most rail in the UK is the car, and we know that cars just don't work in these spaces. The sorts of indirect and sometimes accidental measures by the state which make car dependency feasible in towns elsewhere (free parking in the high street!) are basically impossible in London. There isn't enough space to park on the street in London, so you end up with multistorey car parks. But, those are run normally by private operators who are looking to make a profit, so they will actually charge what the market will bear. A season ticket might look expensive but so does a regular car parking space in the City or near it. High land prices mean that businesses are not providing car parking spaces either. It's not uncommon for city centre offices to be built with no parking beyond a scattering of accessible and servicing spaces in the basement. Private companies are now more interested in very expensive city centre office space than the huge swathes of car-dependent office parks built off of motorway junctions around the country.

With rail being more efficient than car, it would seem quite extraordinary for rail to fall by the wayside again as a transportation method. The only real idea then would be that humans decide to stop travelling so much. I don't think that's sensible at all. As people get wealthier, they want to travel more to experience more. Journeys which someone might only take once a year might become quarterly (e.g. a shopping/show/sights trip to London). In aggregate that still means more people travelling. If you're up beyond the Midlands, your best bet for getting to London will still be on HS2.

A good post, the other thing that's worth highlighting is that the vast majority of car driving is for getting to/from the office (for those who work in offices), if you reduce that then there's a chance that car use starts to be less attractive.

As to own a car when your doing 9,000 miles a year isn't all that much more expensive than someone doing 6,000 miles. Therefore you may well find that there's fewer 2+ car households, which in turn would likely mean some additional infrequent trips (holidays, visiting family, etc.), however such trips are likely to be quite long in length and so HS2 would likely benefit.

We could see overall rail use fall by 25% but HS2 still see more passengers.
 

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A new technical report has been released regarding the East branch to East Midlands and Yorkshire etc.
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Seems a very sensible document,
I agree. And a useful source of (possibly optimistic) cost information for other projects.

But it is all dependent on IRP getting done within the £96 billion funding envelope, which I suspect is not going to happen. (Personally, I suspect they will cut back the truncated Eastern leg to a stump joining the 125mph Birmingham-Derby line near Kingsbury.)
 

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I agree. And a useful source of (possibly optimistic) cost information for other projects.

But it is all dependent on IRP getting done within the £96 billion funding envelope, which I suspect is not going to happen. (Personally, I suspect they will cut back the truncated Eastern leg to a stump joining the 125mph Birmingham-Derby line near Kingsbury.)
Can the route from Kingsbury to Derby cope with more trains though? I thought it was pretty full already.
 

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A new technical report has been released regarding the East branch to East Midlands and Yorkshire etc.

Seems to be a if we can't afford it all, what is best approach and bits of infrastructure that would make most improvements


Seems a very sensible document, realistic approach rather than money no object dream scheme which will never happen
That report, by SLC Rail consultants, was sponsored by an organisation that calls itself "HS2 East Group". It claims that the report is backed by "leaders across the North and Midlands".
The co-chairs of the group are the leaders of Leeds City Council and Notts County Council. Other member organisations are stated to be West Yorkshire CA, West Midlands CA, East Midlands Councils, Sheffield City Region, Sheffield City Council, Nottingham City Council, Derby City Council, Derbyshire County Council, City of York Council, Leicestershire County Council, Chesterfield Borough Council, Transport for West Midlands and D2N2 (the Derby/Derbyshire/Nottingham/Nottinghamshire LEP).

From a skim read, the report accepts as its starting point, without challenge, the IRP assertion that the full Eastern Leg is unaffordable. It then regurgitates the options from the January 2022 Mott Macdonald report "Strategic Alternatives to the HS2 Eastern Leg", commissioned by the DfT. Except that it proposes to upgrade and electrify both the Erewash Valley line and the Nottingham to Newark line, rather than treating these as alternatives. Reopening of the Leamside Line is thrown in for good measure, although this has little to do with HS2.

The report admits that its cost estimates are "very high level" and based on previous reports. Therefore I would treat with extreme scepticism the claim that its proposals would cost much less than completing the full Eastern Leg. It ignores altogether the cost of extending MML electrification from Sheffield to Moorthorpe, which it proposes as a "Phase 1 - Ahead of HS2/NPR", describing this as "quick win infill".
 

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Hot on the heals of the SLC rail consultants report, DfT has decided to publish something to Leeds (if I knew there was going to be 2, would seriously have opened separate thread for HS2 East & Yorkshire)


The HS2 to Leeds Study was announced in the government’s Integrated Rail Plan for the North and Midlands.

It will consider how best to run HS2 to Leeds, assessing optimal solutions for capacity at Leeds station, and support work on the West Yorkshire mass transit system.

The study will be undertaken by Network Rail with support from HS2 Limited and is expected to take 2 years to complete.

Yes, it does say 2 years to study, another paper plan
 

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Hot on the heals of the SLC rail consultants report, DfT has decided to publish something to Leeds

No doubt the local authorities in question knew the DfT document was coming and commissioned the SLC report ready to be an input to it.

The DfT's recently published response to the Transport Committee's comments on the IRP included a mention that the terms of reference for the Leeds study would be published before the Commons goes into its summer recess.
 

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Hot on the heals of the SLC rail consultants report, DfT has decided to publish something to Leeds (if I knew there was going to be 2, would seriously have opened separate thread for HS2 East & Yorkshire)

Scope of the study:
Technical work will be led by Network Rail with support where needed from HS2 Limited. The study will inform a Strategic Outline Case (SOC) in line with the HM Treasury Green Book and will consider:
  • an assessment of the different options for HS2 services to Leeds, following on from work done on the strategic alternatives to the Eastern Leg for the Integrated Rail Plan
  • development and assessment of infrastructure solutions at Leeds and the surrounding area to enable HS2 services, interfacing with the work in development, to support the services at Leeds committed to in the Integrated Rail Plan
  • safeguarding impacts (including the current Eastern Leg) and any future-proofing required (for example, in the development of the HS2 East Line and the Midland Main Line electrification programme)
The study will assess viable choices consistent with the decisions reached in the Integrated Rail Plan. These would include but are not limited to:
  • via Newark: the extension of HS2 Nottingham services via Newark and the East Coast Main Line route
  • via Sheffield: the extension of HS2 services from Sheffield
  • via Manchester[footnote 1]: the extension of HS2 services from Manchester assuming Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) infrastructure and the HS2 Phase 2b Western Leg as set out in the High-Speed Rail (Crewe-Manchester) Bill, including a new high-speed surface station at Manchester Piccadilly
  • via Erewash: with upgrades and electrification to the Erewash Valley and Old Road lines, as well as sections of a new line to complete a route to Leeds
  • via full Eastern Leg: completing the HS2 Eastern Leg from the East Midlands broadly, as previously scoped

During the course of the study, we intend to review the case for focusing development work on a smaller number of options taking account of evidence including costs, affordability, benefits and value for money.
Footnote 1. Preliminary work suggests that the options “via Sheffield” and “via Manchester” would be likely to retain a substantial part of the overall London-Leeds service pattern on the ECML. Other options would be capable – as in the original HS2 proposals – of replacing most ECML services.
Safeguarding on the full Eastern Leg route will remain until the government is in a position to definitively confirm:
  • any alternative choice
  • whether any part of the existing safeguarded route is still needed under any revised plans
The Department for Transport (DfT) will continue to work with relevant local authorities to adapt existing safeguarding where appropriate and support wider development.
The Leeds station and area options to be assessed will include but are not limited to:
  • alterations including new platforms at the existing Leeds station
  • non-infrastructure solutions, such as dwell times and timetable changes, including possible changes to the balance of through and terminating services at Leeds and potential changes to surrounding routes and stations to enable these
  • implications of the different options to run HS2 to Leeds on the wider network, such as capacity at Sheffield station

The inclusion of the "via Manchester" option was foreshadowed by @Bald Rick upthread, when he posted that the NPR line would have sufficient capacity for a London - Leeds service.
 

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Interesting that Network Rail is taking the lead on the review, rather than HS2 Ltd.
Presumably that's because a lot of the options are about developing the classic network rather than new build.
There seems to be an assumption that the ECML upgrade will happen, with most current main line services staying there.

The other review was supposed to be on options north of Crewe to replace the Golborne Link - nothing said about that one.
The timescales for both reviews put any decisions back beyond the next election.
 

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Interesting that Network Rail is taking the lead on the review, rather than HS2 Ltd.
Presumably that's because a lot of the options are about developing the classic network rather than new build.
There seems to be an assumption that the ECML upgrade will happen, with most current main line services staying there.

The other review was supposed to be on options north of Crewe to replace the Golborne Link - nothing said about that one.
The timescales for both reviews put any decisions back beyond the next election.
The way it is now going to be is the SLC rail report will be available to all candidates in the General Election, but the DfTs preferred solution (on which it has carefully crafted the terms of reference to presumably give answer it wants) won't be published.

Doesn't seem like a clever strategic move to me, although I don't know how many constituencies in the affected area would be deemed marginal. I am assuming the new Boundary Commission revised constituency are in place.
 

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Interesting that Network Rail is taking the lead on the review, rather than HS2 Ltd.
Presumably that's because a lot of the options are about developing the classic network rather than new build.
There seems to be an assumption that the ECML upgrade will happen, with most current main line services staying there.

The other review was supposed to be on options north of Crewe to replace the Golborne Link - nothing said about that one.
The timescales for both reviews put any decisions back beyond the next election.
It is quite interesting! I am not surprised a north-of-Crewe link is being discussed, NPR seems to be a bit of a silver bullet at the moment which avoids the rather pressing Scotland & Liverpool connections given the 2-track past Crewe.
The way it is now going to be is the SLC rail report will be available to all candidates in the General Election, but the DfTs preferred solution (on which it has carefully crafted the terms of reference to presumably give answer it wants) won't be published.

Doesn't seem like a clever strategic move to me, although I don't know how many constituencies in the affected area would be deemed marginal. I am assuming the new Boundary Commission revised constituency are in place.
The next GE will be on the new boundaries. It needs to be formally moved in Parliament but it'll be done after recess.
 

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Will be very interesting to see how much NR thinks it actually costs to build some new railway and mostly upgrades on the existing railway vice building a new 'greenfield' railway.
 

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Leeds City Council has awarded a contract to Voltera for economic benefits of HS2 to Leeds based on SLC report

Volterra to deliver stage 1 of their proposed analysis on the economic benefits and outcomes for the preferred option in the SLC rail report.

 

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In the above clip the speaker from HS2 says that out of the government's planned 260 miles of high speed network, HS2 Ltd are only going to build 230 miles of it. I'm speculating here that the discrepancy refers to the HS2 eastern link to East Midlands Parkway which is around 30 miles...but would this become a Network Rail project and if so, why?
 

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London-Manchester is 190 miles, the Birmingham branch is 10 miles with its junctions with the main line.
Water Orton-East Mids Pkwy is 30 miles, so there you have HS2 Ltd's 230 miles.

The IRP had NPR new construction Warrington-Rostherne and Piccadilly-Marsden, which looks like about 10 miles and 20 miles respectively.
So maybe HS2 Ltd is not expecting to build the NPR sections, though they are supposed to be designing them.
Network Rail, not HS2 Ltd, is reviewing the E Mids-Leeds options (70 miles-ish).
 
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