Future of Newhaven Marine and Harbour Stations?

[Islineclear3_1]

Not until March 2019.

That's what I thought, but I also saw a picture of a 313 at Newhaven Harbour in Modern Railways that also mentioned this in the caption - clearly this is wrong too

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Sunset route]

That's what I thought, but I also saw a picture of a 313 at Newhaven Harbour in Modern Railways that also mentioned this in the caption - clearly this is wrong too

Thanks for clarifying

I saw that too and chuckled to myself, but I have colleagues and friends who work in the three signalboxes affected by the Lewes/Seaford branch resignalling scheme and they are very much still working there.

 

[big all]

there was an episode about ghost stations and there is a free taxi iff you phone the number on the information board at the station to connect between the stations but the number they phoned was not aware off the set up

 

[Kite159]

there was an episode about ghost stations and there is a free taxi iff you phone the number on the information board at the station to connect between the stations but the number they phoned was not aware off the set up

And by the time you wait for the taxi to show up, you could have easily walked to the wasteland where the station formally was

 

[infobleep]

there was an episode about ghost stations and there is a free taxi iff you phone the number on the information board at the station to connect between the stations but the number they phoned was not aware off the set up

I was just thinking recently wouldn't it be fun to do the taxi just because you are allowed to. Not sure I'd want to have an argument over it though and some how I felt that might be what would happen as there was bound to be an issue actually doing it.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Any updates on the track/signalling works on the Seaford branch please?

 

[Surreytraveller]

Any updates on the track/signalling works on the Seaford branch please?

They're doing something in March, when the whole area will be recontrolled from Three Bridges ROC. I believe Newhaven Marine will be downgraded to a siding, and the buildings removed.
https://www.southernrailway.com/travel-information/plan-your-journey/lewes-works

For four days, from Thursday 7 March to Sunday 10 March, there are no trains between the following stations:

• Wivelsfield - Lewes
• Falmer - Lewes
• Seaford - Lewes
• Polegate - Lewes
• Brighton - Falmer: A shuttle train will be replacing normal service, running every 40 minutes

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/east-sussex-passengers-advised-to-plan-ahead-this-march-as-railway-closes-for-four-days

The upgrade will see signalling control of the Lewes, Newhaven and Seaford areas moved to Network Rail’s state-of-the-art route operating centre at Three Bridges, meaning that the signal boxes at Lewes, Newhaven Town and Newhaven Harbour will close.

 

[Bald Rick]

Any updates on the track/signalling works on the Seaford branch please?

Commissioning of the new signalling takes place in a block from close of service on Thurs 7 March until start of service Mon 11 March. All the boxes close, and Newhaven Harbour LX also closes.

 

[Sunset route]

Newhaven Town sognalbox is being downgraded to the status of crossing keeping in the modified plans, the rest remains the same.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Thank you both

Interesting (and good) that Newhaven Town box is staying for now. But why is the crossing here remaining locally controlled whilst Beach Road crossing at the Harbour will be remotely controlled - unless, Newhaven Town takes this on?

 

[Sunset route]

Newhaven town failed its risk assessment in the end, what with the road junctions, the swing bridge etc etc, but Beach Road ticked all the boxes for its recontrol.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Newhaven town failed its risk assessment in the end, what with the road junctions, the swing bridge etc etc, but Beach Road ticked all the boxes for its recontrol.

Thanks for explaining

 

[swt_passenger]

They're doing something in March, when the whole area will be recontrolled from Three Bridges ROC. I believe Newhaven Marine will be downgraded to a siding, and the buildings removed.

Which ‘buildings’ are being referred to here please?

 

[Surreytraveller]

Which ‘buildings’ are being referred to here please?

The station buildings. Unless they've already been removed?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

The building at Newhaven Marine was demolished in 2017 from memory and a new siding laid down in August 2018 (locked out of use) ready for a new aggregate terminal at some point in the future.

There was a plan to build a new road flyover into the docks as part of the redevelopment around the Marine but not sure if approved yet

 

[swt_passenger]

The station buildings. Unless they've already been removed?

I was pretty sure they had been, and there’s pics earlier in the thread, eg post #135. I thought you might have meant the redundant signal boxes, they don’t seem to leave them very long.

 

[swt class 450]

Any idea if trains will actually carry passengers to and from Newhaven Marine again? I thought the only reason that the parliamentary train ran empty was because the station building and roof were unsafe? However now that they have been removed what is stopping Southern Rail from accepting passengers? The station is now fully open with no fence and anyone can just simply walk on to the platform so i can't see any reason for them not carrying passengers on the parliamentary service again?

 

[_toommm_]

Any idea if trains will actually carry passengers to and from Newhaven Marine again? I thought the only reason that the parliamentary train ran empty was because the station building and roof were unsafe? However now that they have been removed what is stopping Southern Rail from accepting passengers? The station is now fully open with no fence and anyone can just simply walk on to the platform so i can't see any reason for them not carrying passengers on the parliamentary service again?

Would there be any point? It's a 3 minute walk IIRC, and unless trains are genuinely going down there to turn around, then it seems a bit pointless.

 

[Sunset route]

Any idea if trains will actually carry passengers to and from Newhaven Marine again? I thought the only reason that the parliamentary train ran empty was because the station building and roof were unsafe? However now that they have been removed what is stopping Southern Rail from accepting passengers? The station is now fully open with no fence and anyone can just simply walk on to the platform so i can't see any reason for them not carrying passengers on the parliamentary service again?

On the the new signalling diagram it is shown as “Marine Siding” with the platform labelled “OOU” instead of a platform number and only a shunt signal (TLW1582) to come back out, that all suggests that it’s passenger carrying days are over.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

On the the new signalling diagram it is shown as “Marine Siding” with the platform labelled “OOU” instead of a platform number and only a shunt signal (TLW1582) to come back out, that all suggests that it’s passenger carrying days are over.

Doesn’t sound like it will come back. I have read it will be closed officially in the next few years. The OOU sign says it all.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes, if the Marine platform is labelled OOU then that's it - no more passenger trains to the Marine

As mentioned upthread, pax will have to detrain onto the down platform at the Harbour, train continues ecs to the stop board along the branch and sets back over the crossover to pick up pax from the up platform

 

[sarahj]

Someone asked, so here is where the station building used to be.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Spot the semaphore signal !

 

[BS56]

The starter signal there was the last semophore on the whole line I think it was removed last year when the track layout was altered with the removal of the double slip and the sidings . Are there any new colour light signals being provided or are the old ones being re-controlled from Three Bridges

 

[trainmania100]

Spot the semaphore signal !

Definitely no semaphore there now, been there a few times recently and it's gone.

There is a RDT between Newhaven town and Southerham junction some point this month, and a few tampers/stone blowers also, might be the new siding going in?

https://www.rail-record.co.uk/rail/liverail/train/1111535/28/02/19
Then heads back to the yard from southerham jn

Re aggregate plant, see attached photo. There is a new peir being built at Newhaven port where cargo ships will dock, aggs will be unloaded and bagged for brett

 

[Sunset route]

On the the new signalling diagram it is shown as “Marine Siding” with the platform labelled “OOU” instead of a platform number and only a shunt signal (TLW1582) to come back out, that all suggests that it’s passenger carrying days are over.

The starter signal there was the last semophore on the whole line I think it was removed last year when the track layout was altered with the removal of the double slip and the sidings . Are there any new colour light signals being provided or are the old ones being re-controlled from Three Bridges

As I said above it’s being replaced by colour light shunt signal (TLW1582).

 

[BS56]

What I was really trying to say was apart from the new shunt signal for departures from the former marine platform what about the rest of the line from Lewes through to Seaford will this be recontrolled or the signals renewed as several of them are not really that old.

 

[Sunset route]

It’s mostly a recontrol with most of not all signals replaced like for like with new LED ones.

New main line aspects instead of shunt signals on platforms 2 and 4(country end) to turn trains back towards Eastbourne/Seaford at Lewes. Also platform 4 becomes bidirectional.

New fixed red down direction on the up line southerham Jcn side of Lewes junction.

A new Mainline aspect vice shunt signal for up moves from the down line southerham side of Lewes junction.

So in theory they should be able to turn two trains together when services are diverted between Keymer Junction and Brighton.

And that’s about it.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

A very detailed response @Sunset route
Seaford's starting signal (NH42) is still the old 3 aspect type but has a new plate so I wonder if the arrangement will remain as current: showing yellow when NH102 at Bishopstone is red, or green when NH102 is cleared

 

[trainmania100]

New May timetable shows that there are now several paths daily, from Acton terminal complex to the Newhaven Marine Aggregate Terminal DB Cargo

Aggregate facility not yet built so probably won't run until early next year, but nice to see the Wtts going in

https://www.rail-record.co.uk/rail/liverail/full/NEWHVMD/23/5/19

Runs most days in the wtt