PYROOGOBBO
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wait, there will be a lot of redundant MK3's by the time it's possibly done?
and those mk3's could be gotten by railtour companies?
and those mk3's could be gotten by railtour companies?
I hope this isn't a silly question but (here goes), with the scale of work being done on 89001 and the money it could potentially earn if used on the Caley Sleepers would it be worth or even possible to upgrade the ETS so that it could work them? What I suppose I mean is would it be technically possible?
Or is it just how it is and let's be happy that it may at some point be an excellent railtour locomotive?
Thanks in advance technical and knowledgeable types for your informed and friendly replies.
wait, there will be a lot of redundant MK3's by the time it's possibly done?
and those mk3's could be gotten by railtour companies?
she is owned by ther AC Loco Group and is at Barrow Hill beign worked on ...
http://www.aclocogroup.co.uk/news.php
I doubt that the AC Loco Group would want to see it's precious 89 flogged up and down the north-south mainlines, even if it was feasible to double the ETS capability of the loco. It wouldn't be a sympathetic restoration then would it? And in any case, GBRf have plenty of 92s to offer the CS .....
I agree - but I think there's still a reasonable question as to whether they'd be happy for it to operate in the same way as their 87/86s, i.e. ECS moves with the odd 'full' run in an emergency, together with railtour/excursion workings etc. It'll no doubt cost a bit to keep going, so would pay for the bills (and then the next loco they want to restore).
All a bit hypothetical (the full run part at least) if it's impossible to "boost" the ETS somehow. I'd be interest as per Cowley's question if anyone who has knowledge about such things could comment on its technical feasibility.
I doubt that the AC Loco Group would want to see it's precious 89 flogged up and down the north-south mainlines, even if it was feasible to double the ETS capability of the loco. It wouldn't be a sympathetic restoration then would it? And in any case, GBRf have plenty of 92s to offer the CS .....
I'm not an expert in electrikery, but apparently the new Mk5 CS stock runs at the UIC ETS supply voltage of 1500V, due to the overall supply requirement.
I think that puts to bed any idea of using a loco other than a 92!
i also don't know if they would fancy their intercity livery being changed? though the 89 in sleeper green would look pretty awesome.
and talking of such, if only 92's could power the new MK5 stock then, (forgive my lack of knowhow) what would happen if the sleeper had to be diverted along a non electrified route/if electricity became non available? is there diesel locos capable of producing the electricity needed or would a generator van be a decent idea? O3o, or is it simply get a freight loco (like a 66/59) then just plomp a 67 on the end and it'll be powered fine?
One possible solution would be to split the cable in the middle and treat it as 2 separate trains and have a loco heating each half. Obviously this would probably involve additional staff to ride on the tailgunner
i also don't know if they would fancy their intercity livery being changed? though the 89 in sleeper green would look pretty awesome.
I'd hope a repaint is included in the restoration - it's been (I think) 10 years since it's last repaint and it does show ....
Personally, I'd like to see it back in IC Swallow, but that's my preference!
GNER blue would also be historically accurate .....
I'd hope a repaint is included in the restoration - it's been (I think) 10 years since it's last repaint and it does show ....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kempydak/32332422815/in/photolist-Rg77RM-Qeqa7H-PJ6yWz-PLWYit-PLWYNr-PLWZhH-PAMEVX-P8zxmd-PAPZwA-NjFVKK-MugHTh-Rr4fCj-N2i8sU-NmPrxA-No2TTR-ejh6uW-ejbkvi-NdnTYS-NXC3FB-N2AXBo-NP4pYM-P3iCCa-NbpCFG-NqbswR-NcrFB6-MEH1HJ-MWHkKh-N7W6h6-MZnqbT-MWHkzs-MPgpED-MMkKNP-MMkKzn-PBpbCM-M2E4o1-Lwd8J4-MzodoG-LaprPs-M4DXu1-LaUppi-M6MfC3-LGeWh5-LdzBKN-Lut2Zj-LoDdJ4-LnEECd-LnUvVV-Lghdrz-LW5KVL-L7fcKd
Personally, I'd like to see it back in IC Swallow, but that's my preference!
GNER blue would also be historically accurate .....
IC swallow makes any train look frigging amazing, made the 91's look super amazing before EC made it silver and made it look super dated , probably the best BR livery imo :')
... i would kinda keep the 89 in IC swallow, makes it that little bit extra of a "catch" (though it'd be a huge catch anyway) , plus not many rail tour trains... or any? have IC livery,
What routes is the Class 89 cleared for? - I've only ever seen it on tests between Crewe and Carlisle and on the ECML between Kings Cross and Leeds? Has it ever been to Scotland?
InterCity Swallow for me too: https://flic.kr/p/adyKuJ
If you're referring to railtour stock rather than locos, there's is at least one set of intercity coaches as was used recently with 88003 on the SVR, e.g. https://flic.kr/p/UJ5n1U.
And as you mention it, here's what the 91s/225s should look like...!! https://flic.kr/p/UbhG42
I know they repainted one of the HST's into IC swallow, so why couldn't they do for one of the 91's? would be a fitting to at least have one 91 in IC attire for when they are sent off, and handy for if/when such 91 goes into railtours or such.
Just maybe thinking, repainted 89 and 91's in IC Swallow doing railtours by taking some redundant MK3's repainted into IC livery (and the 89 doing more tours using the mk2 stock, maybe idk?) , thrashing down some lines at 100+ , dunno if people would be interested, but godamn would i love to see that ,a true... Inter-City High speed rail tour?? , is a change from the mk2's and a bunch of 37s and 47's
but yeah i was referring to loco stock, not very many locos in IC livery? maybe there was an odd 86 or something in IC livery , but not many others i could think of.
i also know is generic question, but could the 89 be used also for any light-medium freight work?
I know they repainted one of the HST's into IC swallow, so why couldn't they do for one of the 91's? would be a fitting to at least have one 91 in IC attire for when they are sent off, and handy for if/when such 91 goes into railtours or such.
...but yeah i was referring to loco stock, not very many locos in IC livery? maybe there was an odd 86 or something in IC livery , but not many others i could think of.
i also know is generic question, but could the 89 be used also for any light-medium freight work?
I think BR blue with big logo would look best. Historical accuracy is overrated!
How about employing it on TPE Newcastle-Liverpool services using a 442 as LHCS?
I'm a big fan of 'What if' or semi-fictitious liveries like the Class 50 in IC Swallow
That 50 is not in IC Swallow, though. It's closer to Mainline, but not even correct for that.
I personally think that the class 89 was the exception to the rule when it comes to Intercity Swallow livery, in that it really didn't suit it: The white cab pillars and large rectangular yellow warning panel really accentuated the slab like front end. IMO the loco was far better suited to the Intercity Executive livery it was delivered in (and subsequently wears in preservation), with the livery wrapped around to the front end and a smaller, more discrete yellow panel.IC swallow makes any train look frigging amazing, made the 91's look super amazing before EC made it silver and made it look super dated , probably the best BR livery imo :')
That 50 is not in IC Swallow, though. It's closer to Mainline, but not even correct for that.
There's been a few painted into IC recently - seems to be a bit of a trend. Other than the GWR power car (43185), 47828 has very recently been decked out in IC Swallow and 50031 has fairly recently been put into IC livery too. But certainly nowhere near the number of blue/green/maroon heritage locos out there.