D365
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Hi all,
This is my first post on the forum, but for some time I have been devising my own "DAB Masterplan"; a proposal to streamline the orders and subsequent cascade of passenger rolling stock. As you may have realised, a significant amount of MUs in the UK will be coming to the end of their lives within the next decade or so, including the infamous Pacer units, which do not meet new disabled access requirements. My plan, although it only currently only details orders for new EMUs (and the eVoyager project for a restarted IEP), is quite detailed. I have not posted in an existing thread, partially because there are so many (I don't know which one to post in!), but mainly because I would like to update this, with the help of your ideas, criticism and imagination!
Thanks in advance for reading!
DAB Masterplan: Future Passenger Rolling Stock builds, moves, refurbishment, retirement etc.
& long-term work for Derby (Bombardier - IMPORTANT!!!)
Inner Suburban Standard Unit (ISSU):
75-90mph, dual-voltage
3, 4 or 6 cars; modular design with reformable carriages depending on operator needs
Based on PEP, 376 and 378 designs. Built in Derby, an evolutionary, proven design. Alternatively, stripping and rebuilding PEP units into a single class may be possible?
44 GN IS 313s: 3 or 6 carriages, dual-voltage essential. Lower roof profile (or whatever) for Northern City Line running
( 16 ScotRail 314s replaced by 318/320, displaced by further new 380s)
61 Anglia IS 315s; 4 carriage replacement (also replacing a number of 317s, see below). Shenfield Metro service replaced by Crossrail 345 (see below).
315s (and reformed 313s/314s?), if not rebuilt, possibly deep-cleaned AND reused on future Cardiff Valley Electrics. Further ISSUs follow later. Electrify to Swansea, improve services and cascade Pacers into scrapyards!
Merseyrail 507s and 508s; same order as GN Units
455s, 456s, 19 South Coast 313s: similar to existing units/SE Networkers, 2-4 carriages
( Some services returned to other suburban units?)
All new DC stock must be AC OHLE compatible?
In short: ISSU for inner suburban services, LO take over [dedicated] metro routes around London with further 378s
Will safeguard and possibly create Derby jobs in the long term, as well as in scrapyards, [new] depots and more!
Reuse electric units in metro/suburban schemes until new units can be justified:
Cardiff Valley "Electrics": Refurbished Class 315/317
"Harrogate Metro": Converted D Stock
Better investment in Anglia region:
Further 379 batches to gradually replace oldest EMUs* and loco-hauled sets, in various door/seating configurations. 360s also replaced, joining Heathrow Connect 360s (reformed into 4-car units with further vehicles) to move elsewhere. Gangway added if joining 350/450 fleets.
*Up to 48 displaced 317s (as built /1) could be regeared to 75-90mph and used as short-term inner-suburban units
5 322s working alongside 321s, possible conversion to 321/4 or /9 - Done, up North!
eVoyager: Final (B-)IEP train. As much work done as possible in England. All Bombadier high-speed diesel units converted to bi-mode sets with new carriages.
B-IEP Routes:
Cross Country, Midland Main Line: Voyagers/Meridians converted to bi-mode with extra carriages along with brand-new trains to replace HSTs.
West Coast: supplementing 390 Pendolinos, North Wales services
Great Western Main Line, East Coast Main Line: Replace (most) HSTs/180s (including open-access). Electric-only variant for London - Kings Lynn / Oxford. InterCity 225 sets kept for ECML long-distance.
Thameslink "Class 355" Cascade:
86 319s and 40 365s thoroughly refurbished and cascaded to future electrified routes; Great Western (see below), north etc. Remember, they are dual-voltage!
(Alternatively several 365s retained on "Greater Thameslink" as added peak-time [Great Northern] capacity and 'disconnected' Thameslink services)
313 not replaced; dealt with separately (ISSU)
23+3 377s back to Southern, joining more new units
12 317/1s: added to GA 317s (/7) for micro-fleet of at least 21 317s (see earlier).
13 321s: joining 321/9 and 322 for north electrification; total 13 ex-FCC, 3 321/9 and 5 (ex) 322. Midland fleet could be reduced to three if compatible with 350 for emergency coupling. Would add 4 direct ex-LM for at least 25 total.
Crossrail Class 345 Cascade:
165/166: along with cascaded 319s, will help to replace Pacers by 2019/2020.
5 360/2s: 5th carriages reformed into new vehicles, joins 360/1 ex-Anglia fleet (see earlier)
315: see earlier
14 332s continue with HEx
Rev.1
This is my first post on the forum, but for some time I have been devising my own "DAB Masterplan"; a proposal to streamline the orders and subsequent cascade of passenger rolling stock. As you may have realised, a significant amount of MUs in the UK will be coming to the end of their lives within the next decade or so, including the infamous Pacer units, which do not meet new disabled access requirements. My plan, although it only currently only details orders for new EMUs (and the eVoyager project for a restarted IEP), is quite detailed. I have not posted in an existing thread, partially because there are so many (I don't know which one to post in!), but mainly because I would like to update this, with the help of your ideas, criticism and imagination!
Thanks in advance for reading!
DAB Masterplan: Future Passenger Rolling Stock builds, moves, refurbishment, retirement etc.
& long-term work for Derby (Bombardier - IMPORTANT!!!)
Inner Suburban Standard Unit (ISSU):
75-90mph, dual-voltage
3, 4 or 6 cars; modular design with reformable carriages depending on operator needs
Based on PEP, 376 and 378 designs. Built in Derby, an evolutionary, proven design. Alternatively, stripping and rebuilding PEP units into a single class may be possible?
44 GN IS 313s: 3 or 6 carriages, dual-voltage essential. Lower roof profile (or whatever) for Northern City Line running
( 16 ScotRail 314s replaced by 318/320, displaced by further new 380s)
61 Anglia IS 315s; 4 carriage replacement (also replacing a number of 317s, see below). Shenfield Metro service replaced by Crossrail 345 (see below).
315s (and reformed 313s/314s?), if not rebuilt, possibly deep-cleaned AND reused on future Cardiff Valley Electrics. Further ISSUs follow later. Electrify to Swansea, improve services and cascade Pacers into scrapyards!
Merseyrail 507s and 508s; same order as GN Units
455s, 456s, 19 South Coast 313s: similar to existing units/SE Networkers, 2-4 carriages
( Some services returned to other suburban units?)
All new DC stock must be AC OHLE compatible?
In short: ISSU for inner suburban services, LO take over [dedicated] metro routes around London with further 378s
Will safeguard and possibly create Derby jobs in the long term, as well as in scrapyards, [new] depots and more!
Reuse electric units in metro/suburban schemes until new units can be justified:
Cardiff Valley "Electrics": Refurbished Class 315/317
"Harrogate Metro": Converted D Stock
Better investment in Anglia region:
Further 379 batches to gradually replace oldest EMUs* and loco-hauled sets, in various door/seating configurations. 360s also replaced, joining Heathrow Connect 360s (reformed into 4-car units with further vehicles) to move elsewhere. Gangway added if joining 350/450 fleets.
*Up to 48 displaced 317s (as built /1) could be regeared to 75-90mph and used as short-term inner-suburban units
5 322s working alongside 321s, possible conversion to 321/4 or /9 - Done, up North!
eVoyager: Final (B-)IEP train. As much work done as possible in England. All Bombadier high-speed diesel units converted to bi-mode sets with new carriages.
B-IEP Routes:
Cross Country, Midland Main Line: Voyagers/Meridians converted to bi-mode with extra carriages along with brand-new trains to replace HSTs.
West Coast: supplementing 390 Pendolinos, North Wales services
Great Western Main Line, East Coast Main Line: Replace (most) HSTs/180s (including open-access). Electric-only variant for London - Kings Lynn / Oxford. InterCity 225 sets kept for ECML long-distance.
Thameslink "Class 355" Cascade:
86 319s and 40 365s thoroughly refurbished and cascaded to future electrified routes; Great Western (see below), north etc. Remember, they are dual-voltage!
(Alternatively several 365s retained on "Greater Thameslink" as added peak-time [Great Northern] capacity and 'disconnected' Thameslink services)
313 not replaced; dealt with separately (ISSU)
23+3 377s back to Southern, joining more new units
12 317/1s: added to GA 317s (/7) for micro-fleet of at least 21 317s (see earlier).
13 321s: joining 321/9 and 322 for north electrification; total 13 ex-FCC, 3 321/9 and 5 (ex) 322. Midland fleet could be reduced to three if compatible with 350 for emergency coupling. Would add 4 direct ex-LM for at least 25 total.
Crossrail Class 345 Cascade:
165/166: along with cascaded 319s, will help to replace Pacers by 2019/2020.
5 360/2s: 5th carriages reformed into new vehicles, joins 360/1 ex-Anglia fleet (see earlier)
315: see earlier
14 332s continue with HEx
Rev.1