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Gatwick Express service cancelled due to "safety device being operated"? (29/04/17)

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Yesterday afternoon, while I was at London Victoria, I saw that the 1D92 15:15 Gatwick Express service had been cancelled. When I first heard the announcement, it said the service had been cancelled due to an operating incident, but when I saw the board and heard a non automated announcement, they said "This service has been cancelled due to a safety device being operated on board this train"

This is the first time I've heard of a safety device activation causing a train to be cancelled in the 16 years that I have been using the railway. What safety device on a Class 387 being activated can even cause the train to be cancelled?
 
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RTT has "This service was cancelled throughout due to an issue with the train crew." - so TPWS activation meaning the driver was relieved of duty for investigation, perhaps?
 

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RTT has "This service was cancelled throughout due to an issue with the train crew." - so TPWS activation meaning the driver was relieved of duty for investigation, perhaps?

Surely they could have sourced a standby driver if that was the case. The announcement at Victoria Station said it was the safety device which caused the train to be cancelled. There were also no GX Class 387's present at the time to even work the service, so not sure about that
 
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Could have been a passenger emergency handle pulled down and was either unable to be reset or the incident took a while to deal with and delayed the train long enough for it to be not worth running.
 
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assuming it was a TWPS activation there could be doubt about whether it was driver error or a train fault.
 

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Yesterday afternoon, while I was at London Victoria, I saw that the 1D92 15:15 Gatwick Express service had been cancelled. When I first heard the announcement, it said the service had been cancelled due to an operating incident, but when I saw the board and heard a non automated announcement, they said "This service has been cancelled due to a safety device being operated on board this train"
No loss; the company runs a train 5 minutes later with the same journey time.
RTT has "This service was cancelled throughout due to an issue with the train crew." - so TPWS activation meaning the driver was relieved of duty for investigation, perhaps?
Unlikely; the issue appears to have occurred at Gatwick but the inbound service did run and didn't get further delayed en route. (By the way, not everyone knows what "RTT" means)
Surely they could have sourced a standby driver if that was the case. The announcement at Victoria Station said it was the safety device which caused the train to be cancelled. There were also no GX Class 387's present at the time to even work the service, so not sure about that
GTR barely have enough drivers to cover the service, let alone have spares.
 

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RTT has "This service was cancelled throughout due to an issue with the train crew." - so TPWS activation meaning the driver was relieved of duty for investigation, perhaps?

Would it be standard procedure for a driver (of any TOC or FOC) to be relieved of duty after a TPWS activation or does it depend on the circumstances?
 

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It could have been an override that was operated due to a fault, so you could be looking at any of : TPWS, AWS, VIGILANCE, Horns, DSD.
 

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Of course; "operational incident" would have covered it quite succinctly, without the alarm and bother this apparently has. But hey ho, apparently the railways have to be "open" and "transparent" at whatever cost nowadays.
 

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Of course; "operational incident" would have covered it quite succinctly, without the alarm and bother this apparently has. But hey ho, apparently the railways have to be "open" and "transparent" at whatever cost nowadays.

But for "operational incident" we would all be entitled to assume the driver was at fault, see previous threads. "Safety device being activated" suggests that if there is blame it may lie elsewhere.
 

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If it was a fault, depending on the circumstance in which it occurred the driver might not feel fit to continue driving on the day even.
 

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But for "operational incident" we would all be entitled to assume the driver was at fault, see previous threads. "Safety device being activated" suggests that if there is blame it may lie elsewhere.

We are all entitled to think the incident was the driver knocking over his camping stove while making bacon sandwiches, consequently setting fire to his trousers, this would not make us right.

It sounds as if you have used your entitlement and are then complaining because you got it wrong.
 

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Would it be standard procedure for a driver (of any TOC or FOC) to be relieved of duty after a TPWS activation or does it depend on the circumstances?

Circumstances, and if driver is on the Driver Development Plan or not. Driver may not be fit to continue after own self-assessment.
 
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