Okay lets run through this then.
GTR is an operator that has chosen to (or is required by government to) "brand" it's train services as Southern, Gatwick Express, Thameslink or Great Northern.
A passenger can make a journey on Southern and this would be on one of GTR's services that is not "branded" Gatwick Express.
Now let's look at that quote again...
"each Operator may Create Dedicated Fares in respect of journeys on its own trains"
Each Operator (GTR in this case) can set dedicated fares (valid only by one operator - GTR) for journeys that are only on it's own services.
So GTR can set a "Southern Only" (for use only on Southern "branded" services") fare because these are fare's which allow someone to make a journey that is only on GTR's own services.
Has that dumbed it down enough for you?
You're talking nonsense. If you are not prepared to read and understand the TSA, that's fine, just stop lying about what it contains.
Fares cannot exist if they are not TSA complaint; they cannot make up rules about brandings in the manner you claim.
4-15 DEDICATED FARES
Subject to Clause 4-25 below (where this applies), each Operator may Create Dedicated Fares in respect of journeys on its own trains.
Dedicated Fare means a Fare which entitles the Purchaser to use the trains of a single Operator only.
Govia Thameslink Railway is an operator.
Southern was an operator, and used to operate Gatwick Express route. Now Govia Thameslink Railway operates this route. However Southern Only tickets remain valid on the Gatwick Express route, regardless of the change of operator name.
No, Condition 10 says that ticket may be restricted by train company and that, if that restriction applies, the restriction will be shown on the ticket. It does not make any reference to "brand" names.
Well at least you got that right.
Each operator can set fares that are valid for journeys on it's own services. Do you dispute that GTR operates Southern "branded" services?
Branding is irrelevant.
A ticket marked as valid on AGA Only or Greater Anglia Only is valid on all that company's services, including those branded Stansted Express.
The brand name makes no difference to ticketing whatsoever; what matters is the train company/operator.
But you say they can't restrict tickets by brand and you also say that there is no company called Southern. You can't have it both ways!
It is not me who is trying to "have it both ways", it is you. And can I also remind you that Consumer Law applies.
The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999
Written contracts
7. - (2) If there is doubt about the meaning of a written term, the interpretation which is most favourable to the consumer shall prevail
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1999/19992083.htm
Well you clearly missed the point. Customer service departments have leeway to do anything that would get you to travel on their services again. It is not proof of wrong doing.
No, you missed the point. The point is that the OP wants to know if he can use the ticket and is concerned about a potential dispute. However we know that those who have previously been in a dispute, have been appropriately refunded and compensated.
That is the point.
And you, and the DfT and the ORR and everyone else seems happy to let them pay more, knowingly or otherwise.
I am not happy for people to pay more, but until things change, all we can do is educate people so they know that they can contractually use the cheaper tickets, which are valid.
The fact certain people don't like people doing it is not going to discourage anyone, and it certainly makes me want to use them and spread the word even more!
..., noticed a nice little earner for southern today.....
Well, GTR
but yes.
From some origins there is a premium to travel to Victoria. However, you are absolutely right that for others, there is a premium to travel to London Bridge.
And yes, people have been mis-sold tickets this weekend, and GTR has made money to which they are arguably not legitimately entitled.
I am not happy about it, but all I can do is recommend people buy the cheaper fares. If they are charged more, they can insist on a refund.
If people don't come here for advice, then there is not a lot we can do.
Dedicated flows apply to "operators" as defined in the TSA. If you look at the list of "operators" in the TSA, you will see GTR listed. You appear to be making up untruths by claiming Southern is an operator. Please refrain from this.
