Then there is Love thy Neighbour !Gone with the Wind I can understand but Little Britain I'm not about (never watched it). I think the warning on Tom and Jerry is probably a sensible way of going about it.
Then there is Love thy Neighbour !Gone with the Wind I can understand but Little Britain I'm not about (never watched it). I think the warning on Tom and Jerry is probably a sensible way of going about it.
If you look at any comedy, some parts of it will date worse than others. This just smacks of caving into the loudest shouters.
Worse still, it is boss level virtue signalling. How many British comedies will be falling under the same axe because they have become dated?
If you look at any comedy, some parts of it will date worse than others. This just smacks of caving into the loudest shouters.
Agreed with the first bit. Though I think there is a difference between the comedy itself dating and no longer being funny and the general opinion of the topic of which the comedy is about changing so that the comedy feels dated. I also think there is a degree of responsibility too - if idiots start abusing people by quoting lines from your comedy, then maybe you got your comedy a little wrong. Not to say that necessitates it being wiped off streaming platforms, but I think we should be able to have mature conversations about how possibly some of the jokes have done more harm than not in some cases. This isn't a clear black and white issue, there are degrees of nuance to it that tend to get lost in social media and on forums like this. As I said this is certainly less clear to me than the Colston statue stuff.
But the second bit, as I said in my post above, I am not sure I agree. Certainly I haven't seen any "loud shouters" about Little Britain recently, and given the echo chamber effects of social media I am probably in the echo chamber that would have seen such shouts. What I do know is that some of the people behind the show (including Matt Lucas) have spoken out against some of the things that they did in the show. I think they just saw what was going on in the world and someone made a rushed decision in the hope you getting away without any bad PR because of it - ironically enough that decision will specifically bring bad PR compared to if we could have a mature conversation about these things.
and if you don't like it, don't watch it.
This cancel culture, rapidly increasing from BLM and the Minneapolis incident, has got me thinking.
I have belief that all lives do matter, not just black/BAME ones, and social mobility is indeed important especially in America where social problems are worse than here (not saying that we don’t have any) but this hysteria seen in Bristol & London just smacks of globalist, left wing, social justice, bandwagon jumping & social media attention seeking instead of protesting peacefully & focusing on racial injustice. This is really people, never accepting Brexit & Donald Trump, exploiting the Minneapolis incident to push a globalist agenda with the protesters being useful idiots for this cause.
Comedy could get banned and everyone becoming afraid to say the wrong thing etc, thus becoming harder to forge relationships physically with people only communicating online - thus people are seen sitting at tables all looking at their mobiles than talking with each other. This paints a really depressing future that we may not be allowed to smile or laugh etc as many Gen Z are walking around with a scowl on their faces, ready to take offence at anything said to them. This is a future I really do not want.
I am ready to admit I didn’t have it easy in life (I’m not the only one) as I have Aspergers & a disability so have experienced social problems which I why I just see through this “social justice agenda” as b-s. I would wholeheartedly embrace this if I believe people are being genuine and prepared to change things for the good but I just see all this as narcissism, peer pressure & attention seeking so they can show off and say they did this on social media instead of really being selfless & altruistic.
I have seen these so called social justice warriors shy away or run in the opposite direction when they realise or see my disability hence my scepticism. The other people who actually did help me, just did it out of obligation or kindness & didn’t try to preach or push empty platitudes or let on how they’ve given up on meat and suggest I should do as well etc.
I am in my late 30s, my wife and I were thinking about having kids but with the way things are going, a part of me don’t wish to have them as I don’t want to bring them into a world where it is can be hard to meet anyone, more mental health issues as people are cruel to each other, they could be like me which I don’t want them to suffer the same problems like I did.
I am concerned about the education system which teaches the young in “group thought”, instead of encouraging them to be themselves, having their own thoughts & beliefs and accepting each other, that we are seeing this mob mentality and safe spaces. I would like to nurture my children to be free thinkers instead of “following the flock” “monkey see, monkey do” and I am scared of disliking and becoming estranged with my children if they do things without thinking just because “everyone’s doing it”.
Another part of me is aching to have children because I want them to have things I didn’t have but this threat of cancel culture could brainwash them, I don’t know where to go with this and risk letting my wife down.
Sorry for the long post, I just want to vent and don’t have anyone who I could freely express this to.
But what is inequality based on race, if not racism?
Racism doesn't have to be deliberate, but it is still racism.
White male managers who give promotions to other white men because they subconsciously think they'll "fit in" better than the BAME candidate are being racist, even if they don't mean to be, and even if they'd be mortified at being seen as racist.
Police who pull over a young black man in a BMW but let the 50yo white man go past are being racist, even if they think that they're being "objective" about the chances of criminality.
If you don't call it what it is, it won't change. BAME people have played nicely yet discrimination levels in workplace recruitment are unchanged since the 1960s: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hnic-britons-face-shocking-job-discrimination
Clearly pussyfooting around the issue, so as to protect the sensibilities of white men, is quite literally not working.
I have belief that all lives do matter, not just black/BAME ones
Saying "what about all lives?" is akin to rocking up at a stranger's funeral and asking the mourners "what about my feelings?".
Bo Selecta has been removed from streaming services as well apparently. The Simpsons will be next due to their "stereo-typical" portrayal of Apu (who is voiced by a white guy - as is Cleveland Brown from Family Guy) as that has apparently already caused someone some outrage.
There's a massive amount of virtue signalling going on by rioters, looters, politicians who kneel etc
I've seen some ridiculous memes going round saying nonsense like that. They have no relevance and are just noise for the sake of making noise.
Any evidence that the Simpsons is going to be removed?
Err equating politicians who kneel with looters? What?
They are absolutely relevant.
The "black lives matter" phrase does not mean "only black lives matter". It means "black lives matter too".
So what purpose does saying "all lives matter" in response to that?
When the phrase you are using is also used by those who are racists as a dogwhistling tactic, you may want to rethink the phrase.
Philanthropists like Colson probably built thousands of houses some of which may be occupied by protesters. Will they be moving out rather than living in them due to their connection with slavery? Are they going to insist that all parks, gardens and country houses be removed because of such connections?After the destruction of Edward Colston’s statue in Bristol the removal of other statues has now started, looks like the mob have won, a sad day for British history. Why not go all the way and re-write the history books and censor the parts of history that people don’t like?
A statue is society's way of saying "this is someone we look up to". He was only able to be a philanthropist because he profited on the slave trade. So that's a tick in the 'plus' column, and a bigger tick in the 'negative' column. Does that make him worthy of a statue? Should people be looking at his statue and saying "One day, maybe I'll be just like him"?Philanthropists like Colson probably built thousands of houses some of which may be occupied by protesters. Will they be moving out rather than living in them due to their connection with slavery? Are they going to insist that all parks, gardens and country houses be removed because of such connections?
This cancel culture, rapidly increasing from BLM and the Minneapolis incident, has got me thinking.
I have belief that all lives do matter, not just black/BAME ones, and social mobility is indeed important especially in America where social problems are worse than here (not saying that we don’t have any) but this hysteria seen in Bristol & London just smacks of globalist, left wing, social justice, bandwagon jumping & social media attention seeking instead of protesting peacefully & focusing on racial injustice. This is really people, never accepting Brexit & Donald Trump, exploiting the Minneapolis incident to push a globalist agenda with the protesters being useful idiots for this cause.
Comedy could get banned and everyone becoming afraid to say the wrong thing etc, thus becoming harder to forge relationships physically with people only communicating online - thus people are seen sitting at tables all looking at their mobiles than talking with each other. This paints a really depressing future that we may not be allowed to smile or laugh etc as many Gen Z are walking around with a scowl on their faces, ready to take offence at anything said to them. This is a future I really do not want.
I am ready to admit I didn’t have it easy in life (I’m not the only one) as I have Aspergers & a disability so have experienced social problems which I why I just see through this “social justice agenda” as b-s. I would wholeheartedly embrace this if I believe people are being genuine and prepared to change things for the good but I just see all this as narcissism, peer pressure & attention seeking so they can show off and say they did this on social media instead of really being selfless & altruistic.
I have seen these so called social justice warriors shy away or run in the opposite direction when they realise or see my disability hence my scepticism. The other people who actually did help me, just did it out of obligation or kindness & didn’t try to preach or push empty platitudes or let on how they’ve given up on meat and suggest I should do as well etc.
I am in my late 30s, my wife and I were thinking about having kids but with the way things are going, a part of me don’t wish to have them as I don’t want to bring them into a world where it is can be hard to meet anyone, more mental health issues as people are cruel to each other, they could be like me which I don’t want them to suffer the same problems like I did.
I am concerned about the education system which teaches the young in “group thought”, instead of encouraging them to be themselves, having their own thoughts & beliefs and accepting each other, that we are seeing this mob mentality and safe spaces. I would like to nurture my children to be free thinkers instead of “following the flock” “monkey see, monkey do” and I am scared of disliking and becoming estranged with my children if they do things without thinking just because “everyone’s doing it”.
Another part of me is aching to have children because I want them to have things I didn’t have but this threat of cancel culture could brainwash them, I don’t know where to go with this and risk letting my wife down.
Sorry for the long post, I just want to vent and don’t have anyone who I could freely express this to.
Nobody within the BLM movement is arguing that only black lives matter. The movement is Black Lives Matter too. Responding to that with "but what about all lives?" is, in many cases, simply a way of putting black people in their place. It's dogwhistling.
Philanthropists like Colson probably built thousands of houses some of which may be occupied by protesters. Will they be moving out rather than living in them due to their connection with slavery? Are they going to insist that all parks, gardens and country houses be removed because of such connections?
I see that Liverpool University have renamed a building that mentioned Gladstone. Are they going to avail themselves of his huge library in Cheshire?
A lot of people are perfectly well aware of the statistics that show police in the US mainly kill white people, and will have noticed the discrepancy between how - when a white person is killed - usually, very few people pay any attention; but when the person killed is black, there often tends to be a very strong reaction by many groups, making out that this proves racism is rife and black people are being killed by the score, and bringing out the #blacklivesmatter tag
# Old lives matter, but in a Covid-19 sense (including some BLM demonstrators, you wouldn't think so. I was very irritated by a demonstrator on the news saying that they weren't concerned about social distancing because they didn't care if they caught it, and justifying lack of distancing and masks on the grounds that racism had been going on longer than Covid.
A lot of people are perfectly well aware of the statistics that show police in the US mainly kill white people
To be fair, based on the pictures I have seen and the people who I have talked to who were at the protests, there was more social distancing, more mask wearing, more hand washing / sanitising and more general caring for other people's health than there was when tens of thousands of people headed to the beach the week before, or than when Coventry City fans decided to celebrate their promotion last night. Whilst I agree there is an issue there given the current situation, you can't just take aim at one group of people if that is your genuine concern.
With all these tv shows now being banned or taken off the air, will we see the same for the dross that is ”White Chicks”. Or is that acceptable because it’s making fun of white people?
Many protests were fine. My daughter was at the Oxford one on Sunday and masks were worn and the 2m rule observed. No problems with that. Re heading to the beach, that was worse in some ways because the demonstrators were congregating for a noble cause, whereas there was no noble cause associated with visiting a beach....and I am sure there are plenty of beaches to go round if people chose to use them rather than congregating at specific locations. On the other hand there was more distancing between people at the beaches whereas the London and Manchester demonstrations had people packed as tightly together as they used to be on the terraces at a first division football match in the old days.
I hadn't heard about Coventry fans until you told me. I could see that happening, and the same outside grounds where EPL matches are going to be played. The whole thing seems to be breaking down at the moment, too soon according to the scientists. Thanks to our government.
It is all very worrying, I suppose I will just have to resign myself to another bout of isolation if the selfish uncaring acts of a few cause a second wave. But how many of them give a toss if a few hundred/thousand more people, the vast majority of whom will be elderly, die?
If they have been taken off the air or streaming services due to political interventions/opinions/pressure then yes they have been banned. The fact you can still obtain them from other sources doesn’t change that.
Starting at the end, don't apologise, that's largely what the forum is for and it has been good to read your point of view! I must say though that I found that what you wrote about having children really made me think. I really do appreciate your feelings about bringing up kids in this day and age, but what you said and what the events of the last couple of weeks have made me realise is that the vast majority of black people will probably have been thinking exactly the same feelings since time immemorial, simply because they are black, and there is the tragedy of racism. That people (white people like me) are starting to wake up and smell the coffee is the silver lining that has come from the murder of George Floyd: I have never thought that I live in a racist country, but having thought about it in a bit more detail, now I'm not so sure.There are all sorts of examples, mostly covert, when you think hard enough. I'm not sure that Brexit wasn't largely a product of xenophobia.
That said I was upset by the complete disrespect of social distancing at some of the rallies at the weekend, particularly in London. The fact that people who were there didn't mind running the risk of spreading the virus which would result in more deaths, inevitably of older people or those with underlying conditions rather then the demonstrators themselves, was appalling.
Do have kids, a lot of things have changed in my lifetime sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse, and that will continue to be the case probably for ever.
I think exactly the same. I'm wondering whether before too long we will be able to start to be cautiously optimistic that there might not be a second spike at all, although doubtless the number of infections could have tailed off quicker without some people ignoring the restrictions.In terms of football - I am not surprised at all.
I don't think fans will necessarily congregate around grounds when games restart, but I do think that something like a promotion celebration was pretty obvious.
A second spike - I honestly don't know anymore! I did think we would certainly get one, but it seems that nationwide at least we have got longer than I thought without it (given that I was expecting it to start 7-14 days after the beach madness).