I shall be coming off this forum has the Railway isn't the Railway I used to remember back in the BR Days. Now the dust has settled I think I am quite happy being a 9 to 5er Monday to Friday, and going bed at night and having the weekends to myself. Just applied for a Train Presentation Operative job again (Cleaner) and sorry the aggravation in just a cleaning job with Northern Rail beggars belief and in hindsight I don't think its worth the aggro. Online tests, applications explaining giving examples of when you made a difference, gave customer service etc etc. What the hell has all this got to do in the slightest with clearing rubbish from a train ??? It seems funny that when I have applied for these types of jobs outside of the railway for extra cash I seem to walk into them without any fuss and why wouldn't I, Ive done the jobs before and to me that's all that is necessary for these roles. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to do them. Northern Rail will be wanting "A" Levels and a Degree next for this "Non Skilled" job. Seriously I wish everyone on here all the luck in the world in getting on the Rail Industry but to me I no longer see the fascination, just a lot of grief. I used to be gutted when I got turned down for these jobs but think I am now at the stage when I'm happy at home watching the Sport on a Saturday night with a drop of booze and feel sorry for the lads continually working nights at weekend. Some boast of the money there making but can't take it with you when gone and now I'm a 9 to 5er I feel better in myself and healthier. Don't know why I reapplied to be honest, maybe to prove a point at how ridiculous Northern Rail are and there criteria to be a Train Cleaner. Good luck all, I'll enjoy my weekends off.