Crossforth
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Anyone know which two 717 were down at Dollands Moor today?
Anyone know which two 717 were down at Dollands Moor today?
Saw one these at Bowes Park at 1.15 today. Heading north up the loop, hopefully that means driver training?
I passed Dollands Moor on a Eurostar back to StP on Monday morning and I'm sure I counted four. Unless my eyes were deceiving me one of them was 017.
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I think they have. On a Friday non-stop from Moorgate to Gordon Hill.Huh, I was under the impression that some had been in passenger service! Thanks all anyway.
I think they have. On a Friday non-stop from Moorgate to Gordon Hill.
Don't think they'll be in service this month. Still lots to be signed off before they'll be allowed to operate with passengers I think.Back to work today, usual train cancelled due to broken down unit.
Any new news on the 717s?
Back to work today, usual train cancelled due to broken down unit.
Any new news on the 717s?
Defo not in service this month, most likely early Feb if then, not top of GTR's priority list.Don't think they'll be in service this month. Still lots to be signed off before they'll be allowed to operate with passengers I think.
If I got this right
The programme to introduce these trains is on hold
not a priority
No date for programme to be restarted
so no date for introduction
If I got this right
The programme to introduce these trains is on hold
not a priority
No date for programme to be restarted
so no date for introduction
Don't forget the MTINs are per unit - which for a 313 is only 3 cars. If you're on a six car train, you'll have two unit's worth of incidents, which is now worse than an 8/12 car 700, which is always going to be a single unit train. Also the 700s are likely still sliding down towards the bottom of the bathtub reliability curve, seems the 313s are still in the bottom of the bath, but it's best to retire them before the start to climb up the far end.Is this a bad thing? Surely they should be focusing on delivering the full timetable 7 days per week. The 313s are maybe old. But they work. (Ie they fail less than the 700s).
Don't forget the MTINs are per unit - which for a 313 is only 3 cars. If you're on a six car train, you'll have two unit's worth of incidents, which is now worse than an 8/12 car 700, which is always going to be a single unit train. Also the 700s are likely still sliding down towards the bottom of the bathtub reliability curve, seems the 313s are still in the bottom of the bath, but it's best to retire them before the start to climb up the far end.
Expect the 717s MTINs to exceed the 700s very rapidly, partly due to the experience gained on the Desiro City platform, and more straightforwardly they are smaller trains, so just fewer parts to go wrong. And once the 717s reach 50% of the 313 MTINs, they are matching reliability for 6 car trains.
Do you have any evidence to suggest the 717s will be better than the 700 or just hope? At least the single 313 can go out alone with no real issues. The only reason the 313s are getting worse is quiet rightly no-one is spending money on them.
Ok. I will put the post in another way. Yes maintenance will continue. My point was should we replace this part that will be good of 5 years at a cost of x or recondition the existing one a x/5. In the current situation I would expect tactical maintenance not strategic.If the introduction of their replacements is undetermined, it's absolutely not right that no-one is spending money on them. It appears that they're going to remain in service indefinitely, so they need to be maintained as if that's the case.
The pain of introduction will have to happen at sometimeIs this a bad thing? Surely they should be focusing on delivering the full timetable 7 days per week. The 313s are maybe old. But they work. (Ie they fail less than the 700s).
The pain of introduction will have to happen at sometime
As a member of the public I do think how GTR have communicated about their introduction has been poor.
The 313’s for sometime now have not been a good passenger environment.
For some stations on the inner great northern passenger were told the better performance of 717 was required before they could have better rush hour services(ie what they had before May 2018)