GN Class 717

[Bald Rick]

I guess I’m just less temperature sensitive - I have never got on a 700 / 707 / 717 and thought it’s too cold, or too hot for that matter (except twice I found a coach without working air con, so moved to the next coach).

 

[jon0844]

Opening a window on a 365 really isn't a good way to cool yourself down unless the train is really moving and you're in the air flow (and your window isn't the window that puts air on you). The personal vents are mega hit and miss as to whether they're working on or not, and as they age I assume even fewer work than when I was a regular user of them.

 

[317 forever]

GN Twitter have confirmed that there are 4 717s in service today (Saturday).

With so few today, I do not anticipate all that many on August Bank Holiday. I am due to go from London Bridge to Finsbury Park then and hope to do a 717 to Moorgate but realise this might be difficult without a long wait.

 

[bramling]

Opening a window on a 365 really isn't a good way to cool yourself down unless the train is really moving and you're in the air flow (and your window isn't the window that puts air on you). The personal vents are mega hit and miss as to whether they're working on or not, and as they age I assume even fewer work than when I was a regular user of them.

They’re a lot better now, no doubt a product of the less intensive use over the last year or two. Having said that I tend to switch them off - much prefer to have windows open. I know exactly where to sit to get the desired effect too! (You’re spot on that it does depend where one sits to some extent).

 

[Skimble19]

With so few today, I do not anticipate all that many on August Bank Holiday. I am due to go from London Bridge to Finsbury Park then and hope to do a 717 to Moorgate but realise this might be difficult without a long wait.

There won’t be any at all in service on the August Bank Holiday.. we aren’t running any services on GN, other than Kings Lynn to Cambridge. Would strongly suggest you postpone your trip as otherwise it will indeed be a very long wait - until Monday morning!

 

[317 forever]

There won’t be any at all in service on the August Bank Holiday.. we aren’t running any services on GN, other than Kings Lynn to Cambridge. Would strongly suggest you postpone your trip as otherwise it will indeed be a very long wait - until Monday morning!

What is odd is that the National Rail website only states the closure for Saturday & Sunday, with a reduced service on the Monday when I am in London.

 

[Skimble19]

What is odd is that the National Rail website only states the closure for Saturday & Sunday, with a reduced service on the Monday when I am in London.

Ah, my apologies! I assumed you meant you would be travelling at the weekend itself as opposed to the Monday as you were referring to the amount of 717s out today. Indeed, all being well there will be a reduced service on the Monday.

 

[317 forever]

Ah, my apologies! I assumed you meant you would be travelling at the weekend itself as opposed to the Monday as you were referring to the amount of 717s out today. Indeed, all being well there will be a reduced service on the Monday.

Thank you for your assurance that the line is indeed open on August Bank Holiday. I could seek to do buses quickly, then reach Finsbury Park with plenty of time to spare before my train home to maximise my chance of riding a 717!

 

[andystock22]

With so few today, I do not anticipate all that many on August Bank Holiday. I am due to go from London Bridge to Finsbury Park then and hope to do a 717 to Moorgate but realise this might be difficult without a long wait.

I think they only need 8 diagrams for the weekend service.

 

[Failed Unit]

I think they only need 8 diagrams for the weekend service.

This is probably true but they don’t use the 717s much at the weekend.

Saturday I understand only has 3 diagrams. (The list I saw is 2 weeks old - the poster above saying 4 could be correct)

Sunday travelling between WGC and Finsbury Park on a slow service didn’t see a single 717 working. (Not saying non were).

But the 313s are preferred at weekends. Maybe they avoid the 717s to keep the service reliable.

 

[BJames]

This is probably true but they don’t use the 717s much at the weekend.

Saturday I understand only has 3 diagrams. (The list I saw is 2 weeks old - the poster above saying 4 could be correct)

Sunday travelling between WGC and Finsbury Park on a slow service didn’t see a single 717 working. (Not saying non were).

But the 313s are preferred at weekends. Maybe they avoid the 717s to keep the service reliable.

I caught a 717 on the Hertford Loop on Sunday 7th. Overheard staff at Finsbury Park platform 8 who believed only one 717 was in operation on Sunday. Anyone able to clarify Sunday diagrams? I was actually very surprised to get a 717 pulling into Enfield Chase as I thought only one operated, and this was to/from WGC on Sundays.

 

[jon0844]

Services can do Moorgate to WGC to Moorgate to Hertford/Watton or whatever, and so forth.

 

[Failed Unit]

Not seen the Sunday diagrams published recently. But I have seen them on the WGC route as well. I suspect engineering work most weekends makes them difficult to publish. The week I saw one on the WGC line was in the morning shuttling to New Barnet.

 

[BJames]

Services can do Moorgate to WGC to Moorgate to Hertford/Watton or whatever, and so forth.

My understanding (may have changed or I may have misunderstood though) was that on Sundays the diagrams operate differently i.e. Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate as one and Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate as another, for example, as these diagrams suggest:

First, let me just say that I copied these over from the WNXX version of this thread and I credit 700101 on WNXX for these.

Current weekend diagrams are as follows:

Saturdays from 02/06/19

HE63
5Y91 04+56 Welwyn CS to Welwyn GC
2Y91 05.00 Welwyn GC to Kings Cross
2Y92 06.05 Kings Cross to Welwyn GC
2K20 06.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V23 07.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K44 08.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V47 09.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K60 10.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V63 11.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K76 12.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V79 13.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K02 14.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V05 15.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K26 16.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V29 17.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K46 18.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V49 19.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K62 20.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V65 21.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K78 22.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V79 23.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
5V79 00+53 Welwyn GC to Welwyn CS

HE68
5J03 04+04 Letchworth CS to Stevenage
2J03 04.58 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F04 06.13 Moorgate to Stevenage
2J30 07.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F31 08.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J55 09+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J55 10.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F56 11.13 Moorgate Stevenage
2J75 12.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F76 13.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J06 14+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J06 15.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F07 16.13 Moorgate to Stevenage
2J36 17.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F37 18.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J57 19+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J57 20.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F58 21.13 Moorgate to Stevenage
5F78 00+52 Stevenage to Letchworth CS

HE69
5J07 04+50 Letchworth CS to Stevenage via Baldock
2J07 05.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F08 06.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J36 07+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J36 08.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F37 09.13 Moorgate to Stevenage
2J59 10.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F60 11.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J79 12+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J79 13.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F80 14.13 Moorgate to Stevenage
2J12 15.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F13 16.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J41 17+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J41 18.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F42 19.13 Moorgate to Stevenage
2J61 20.28 Stevenage to Moorgate
2F62 21.43 Moorgate to Watton-at-Stone
5J81 22+46 Watton-at-Stone to Watton-at-Stone via Langley Junction
2J81 23.05 Watton-at-Stone to Moorgate
2F84 00.17 Moorgate to Stevenage
5F84 01+28 Stevenage to Letchworth CS

Sundays from 02/06/19

HE55
5V21 08+40 Welwyn CS to New Barnet
2V21 09.28 New Barnet to Welwyn GC
2K29 09.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V33 10.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K41 11.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V45 12.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K53 13.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V57 14.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K65 15.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V69 16.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K77 17.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V01 18.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K09 19.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V13 20.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
2K21 21.58 Welwyn GC to Moorgate
2V25 22.58 Moorgate to Welwyn GC
5V25 23+53 Welwyn GC to Welwyn CS

 

[Mcq]

Anyone know whether today's 'vandalised' train was a 313 or 717?

 

[andystock22]

My understanding (may have changed or I may have misunderstood though) was that on Sundays the diagrams operate differently i.e. Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate as one and Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate as another, for example, as these diagrams suggest:

Last Saturday the 09:28 WGC to Moorgate was a class 717. It appeared they had 2 class 717 diagrams between WGC and Moorgate.

 

[Failed Unit]

My understanding (may have changed or I may have misunderstood though) was that on Sundays the diagrams operate differently i.e. Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate-WGC-Moorgate as one and Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate-Watton-Moorgate as another, for example, as these diagrams suggest:

By coincidence I was on a service which was part of the HE55 diagram. It was a 313.

I suspect that they don’t have enough drivers trained yet to have many 717s out on Sunday as they rely on volunteers.

With driver changes at Finsbury Park even a single run needs 2 drivers.

 

[andystock22]

Sundays is very hit and miss, very few if any 717s in service. On weekdays I'm never on 313s anymore.

 

[LA50041]

Anyone know whether today's 'vandalised' train was a 313 or 717?

It was a 717

 

[SeaKing]

It was a 717

What was this all about.

 

[LA50041]

What was this all about.

Some of the seats had a brown surprise left on them

 

[SeaKing]

Some of the seats had a brown surprise left on them

How lovely Not.

 

[LA50041]

How lovely Not.

Indeed! I pity the poor sods that had do deal with the consequences

 

[EE Andy b1]

Some of the seats had a brown surprise left on them

We have some lovely people in this country!

Use the CCTV on the 717 to find out who it was, get them and rub there face in it, then make them clear it all up.

 

[gazthomas]

Half working aircon on a 717 be better than stagnant air in the tunnels on a 313. I was I the latter yesterday morning and could ha e fainted

 

[thewaistcoat]

I travelled on a 717 for the first time on Saturday as my usual train was typically cancelled due to lack of train crew (well it was a Saturday).
The seats are far too hard for doing a 40+ minute journey - maybe they'll soften up a bit after some usage. It can get quite intimate trying to use the single plug underneath the middle of the seats when the seat next to you is occupied. Maybe a redesign with two slightly slanted sockets away from each other would be a good future improvement. \_/ WiFi worked flawlessly throughout. Air con was working great too.

 

[jon0844]

It can get quite intimate trying to use the single plug underneath the middle of the seats when the seat next to you is occupied. Maybe a redesign with two slightly slanted sockets away from each other would be a good future improvement. \_/ WiFi worked flawlessly throughout. Air con was working great too.

Wait for the fighting when the person next to you wants to plug in their charger!!

I have noticed the air is now cooler inside the last few 717s I've been on. Maybe they've had the default temperature turned down a notch. Still not encountered a hot 700 - but it has been cooler this week.

 

[andystock22]

Half working aircon on a 717 be better than stagnant air in the tunnels on a 313. I was I the latter yesterday morning and could ha e fainted

The Moorgate tunnels are deffintley getting warmer with all the class 717s down there. I've noticed it just before 19:40 at Moorgate as the 19:25, 19:30 and 19:40 are all class 717s. The hot air from the air con units has to go somewhere!

 

[Ethano92]

The Moorgate tunnels are deffintley getting warmer with all the class 717s down there. I've noticed it just before 19:40 at Moorgate as the 19:25, 19:30 and 19:40 are all class 717s. The hot air from the air con units has to go somewhere!

Surely it's not feasible to keep the air con on through the tunnels forever, unless they're expected to cool down through colder months when the air con isn't as used.

 

[Failed Unit]

The Moorgate tunnels are deffintley getting warmer with all the class 717s down there. I've noticed it just before 19:40 at Moorgate as the 19:25, 19:30 and 19:40 are all class 717s. The hot air from the air con units has to go somewhere!

I am not the only one noticing this. I feel sorry for the platform staff. But last week Moorgate was very hot. Us passengers just get on the train so not down as long. Not sure if other stations are suffering or if the non terminal stations have the train airflow helping. (The trains of course are not stood as long)